Hate Of Reformed Theology - Page 6

crakjak · #51 01-28-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I think that it is a great comfort when we place ALL of these burdens upon Him.

Yesss!

crakjak · #52 01-28-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

Blume, if we read that verse "he doesn't will that any should perish" just literally as we hear it, then none will perish. Period. End of story. If God wills it, that's all there is to it.

Well???

Socialite · #53 01-28-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Well???

Figured that was your cue

Of course, addressing Universalism is a different thread on its own.

Acoustic · #54 01-28-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Let's include the total context, a lot more comes after "...those that belong to Christ..." with the ultimate being "...put ALL things under him, that God may be ALL IN ALL." He goes ahead and completes the work, and God is finally all in all.

Yes God has all authority I don't disagree. He is all Glory and all Power ... - the rest of this passage is referring to the Day of the Lord where every knee shall bow to Him - this does not mean every person is saved though does it?

SDG

crakjak · #55 01-28-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

But that overlooks the fact that He chooses us, we don't choose Him. Fundamental part of the Story.

Each and every time, it was God that called, summoned, initiated, chose and appealed to. He does the choosing, and that makes our "choice" a very small detail in the scheme of things. Once we are approached by the Hound of Heaven, there is not much else we can do (though I do believe one can reject His goodness -- I find that it's difficult).

No one can even come to Him, unless the Spirit draws them.

I totally agree with this post, except that anyone can finally reject His goodness.

Socialite · #56 01-28-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

I totally agree with this post, except that anyone can finally reject His goodness.

Irresistible Grace. You sure you aren't a 5-pointer? HA

UnTraditional · #57 01-28-2011, 03:44 PM

Is God subserviant to man? (I am enjoying this thread very much so!)

mizpeh · #58 01-28-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional

Is God subserviant to man? (I am enjoying this thread very much so!)

Of course not!

Acoustic · #59 01-28-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

But that overlooks the fact that He chooses us, we don't choose Him. Fundamental part of the Story.

Each and every time, it was God that called, summoned, initiated, chose and appealed to. He does the choosing, and that makes our "choice" a very small detail in the scheme of things. Once we are approached by the Hound of Heaven, there is not much else we can do (though I do believe one can reject His goodness -- I find that it's difficult).

No one can even come to Him, unless the Spirit draws them.

If the doctrine of the penal substitutionary atonement is correct - Christ made a complete payment for our sins wouldn't rejection of his goodness be included in the atoned for sins?

SDG

Socialite · #60 01-28-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Acoustic

If the doctrine of the penal substitutionary atonement is correct - Christ made a complete payment for our sins wouldn't rejection of his goodness be included in the atoned for sins?

SDG

We are measuring this against "the doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement." I know it sounds semantical, but I'd rather wrestle with Scripture itself.

Christ made complete payment.

Though rejecting the Gospel is certainly "sinful," it's an outside-looking-in sin. And the angle with the question you post points more to Universalism than it does Irresistible Grace IMO.

Forgiveness doesn't negate action. To deny the Gospel, our action has placed us outside covenant with Him. We've reached the final climax of rebellion, turning down the only sacrifice for sins (Heb 13:10).

The way I see it so far.... thinking out loud.... and again, certainly not pretending to have all the answers on this one.