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Old 09-19-2013, 09:11 AM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence

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That makes no sense for a couple of reasons:
That's what his Wesleyan brethren said as well. lol

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First inorder to say that it is a complete and instantaneous work it has to be a second work or at the very least a subsequent work to salvation.
No it does not. If entire sanctification is a definite, instantaneous work, then it does not follow that it must be subsequent to anything. Subsequence may be true, but not because sanctification is an instantaneous work.

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The Bible calls Christians to holiness not sinners.
So God does not expect sinners to be saved from their uncleanness and filthiness and made clean, pure, and holy unto God?

I think you are splitting the work of God in salvation into component parts and separating them. I do not see the Bible doing this. There is no place where the apostles taught 'sanctification is a SECOND definite work of grace'. Why didn't they? Why did they not speak of sanctification the same way the 'second work' believers speak of it?

Durham's teaching did not say sinners can be sanctified before being saved. His teaching was that justification, sanctification, regeneration, the baptism with the Holy Ghost, healing, all of it, was provided for at the Cross. (Who can disagree with that?) And therefore, each of those benefits from God are made available to the believer - the BELIEVER, ie one who has faith in Christ. And they depend on the person's faith. Thus, a person who has faith to believe in God for the forgiveness of their sins can have it, but if they also have faith in God for their entire sanctification, they can have that too. Thus he taught there is no NEED for a 'two step process'. While he admitted that most who experienced sanctification experienced it some time AFTER first coming to Christ, he taught this was only due to their lack of faith and/or lack of teaching and understanding.

Read this to find out the truth about Durham and the finished Work controversy - http://www.finestofthewheat.org/Jim_...d_Blessing.php
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