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Old 12-04-2008, 02:04 PM
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Re: Kings of Leon

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OLD? You know whats old? All the finger pointing any time someone in the UPCI or similar group fails God. The finger pointing at the org, the leaders of the org, the pastor, the teachings, the practices, etc., rather than pointing the finger at the individual that has a free will of their own to choose.

Its really really old actually. Been happening since the garden. Adam pointed at the woman, the woman pointed at the serpent, and they all suffered the consequences. But it still all came down to personal choice for both Adam and Eve. I guess they could have blamed God for putting that stupid tree in the garden...
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I think delta and I have both had the same experience when it comes to getting any honest question answered. I am not pointing fingers but it has seemed if you question anything you get blasted.
It's not just a matter of discussing an issue or asking questions. Its the tone and the spirit in which its being "discussed". In case you havent noticed yet, there are some who always have a negative agenda whenever the UPC is being discussed. The negativity of their tone is so obvious that they couldnt hide it even if they tried. After a while that gets tiresome. Its the same "finger-pointing, blame the org, blame the doctine/blame the church culture/ the strict pastor, or blame whatever else" mentality.

Yes, we know no org is perfect, and discusssion of the issues within an org can be done in a constructive way and yeild some good. But the consistent hyper-critical, moaning, groaning, finger pointing and accusatory tone that some people always bring to the discussion is not productive at all. With some of these folks, all it is is another opportunity to "vent" once again against the organization they left... an organization which some of them clearly still have bad feelings about.

This mudslinging disguised as "discussion of the issues" becomes very transparent after a while.
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