Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree with your points here nahkoe. I suppose it's important to remember that a lot of Spirit-filled people can still have a lot of of problems without invoking demons. I think that in the past we've been too quick to call everything a "spirit" and not look further.

Exactly.

I don't downplay the problems and issues that are there to be dealt with. Believe me. But they're not spirits. They're just stuff to deal with. Life isn't always easy, and sometimes it's very, very difficult and the things that happen leave lasting scars. But those scars aren't spirits. One thing I do know is that God *will* walk through that with a person who relies on Him. He will not abandon or leave anyone to struggle alone. And He'll provide opportunities for healing. His desire is for His people to be whole, in every sense of the word.

But those things aren't spirits.

I know it's easier to "cast something out" than it is to provide the discipleship, friendship, and accountability needed to help a person heal. But that doesn't mean it's a spirit just because someone decides to start casting things out. It works too, that's the sad part. It works, at least short term, because of the placebo effect. But how many of those people keep going back, seeking deliverance?

I *know* that a person who's possessed could not stand the presence of God. I do not know if I was, if so God has delivered me without any person casting anything out. But I *know* that I could not, not, not, not, not, not not stand the presence of God. COULD NOT STAND IT. It was physically painful. A person under that kind of influence CAN NOT seek God out, CAN NOT cleave to God, CAN NOT call on Him. Not unless He makes a way.

There were so many times I would be so frustrated because I *wanted* to do something, and was completely incapable of doing it. I ached for the presence of God, but when in His presence, I would do anything to make it stop. I couldn't even pray when I first came back to church.

I didn't come back to God, He brought me back to Himself. I am in awe of what He's done. There's so much more for Him to do, but what He's done means everything to me.

I *can* stand in His presence. I *can* lift my hands and worship Him. I *can* study His word. I *can* cry out to Him. Every one of those things is a miracle.