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Originally Posted by scotty
For the sake of study and discussion, what do you believe was said over baptism. I understand your approach as far as "this was not specifically said." What, in your opinion, do you believe the diciples did say in these references ?
Nice cop out.
But seriously, I would pose the same question to you as I did Sam. The references I have quoted from scripture do tip the scales in favor of Jesus name baptizm. What scripture references do you have to offer that would give wieght to baptizm in the titles ?
On a side note, how are we reading the following scriptures as NOT being Jesus name baptizm ?
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins;
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus
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I believe it is best to be silent where the bible is silent. The apostles words over baptism are not recorded. Clearly this implies that what is said over baptism is not very important...
If you want to take acts 2:38 and acts 19:5 as both being the actual words spoken then I suggest you take acts 10:48 as being the actual words also. But if this is the case then in
Acts 10:48 they said "in the name of the Lord" which is contrary to your insistence that the word Jesus must be said over baptism. Therefore I say that in either case, whether we take the accounts as the actual words of the apostles or whether we don't, that in both cases your position that the word Jesus must be issued at baptism is not found in the bible.
EDIT: I wanted to add a bit about what I view those verses to be saying. I am reading those scriptures as having nothing to do with the words that are spoken. Baptism wasn't set up to be some kind of divine formula. Baptism is about the remission of sins and symbolizes our death, burial and resurrection with Jesus. I say that all these titles and names all refer to the same authority, for Jesus himself said that he came in his Father's name, therefore implying that his authority came from the Father. So since the authority of Jesus is the same as the authority of the Father what difference does it make whether we baptize in the authority of Jesus or in the authority of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? In fact, I will even go so far to say that even if not one word is uttered at the baptism of a believer about whose authority or name it is being done in, then that baptism was still done both in the authority of both Jesus Christ and in the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
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