James Kilgore's Part in the 92 Affirmation Debacle

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by POWERUP

Not a snowballs chance!!! Especially here in Ms............ But who am I...

Maybe a few of those who don't believe it..... They just sign it...... Man
some folks just don't have the guts!!!!

My pastor was for the affirmation. He quite frequently railed against those who had a TV in their home and signed the paper every year. True they are there but the wording of the manual is not binding as definite either way in some areas (like we disapprove of our people having TVs in their homes)

The WPF is quite frank I understand, no DVDs whatsoever.

The UPCI statement is not so frank and therefore people still sign it.

[POWERUP]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

My pastor was for the affirmation. He quite frequently railed against those who had a TV in their home and signed the paper every year. True they are there but the wording of the manual is not binding as definite either way in some areas (like we disapprove of our people having TVs in their homes)

The WPF is quite frank I understand, no DVDs whatsoever.

The UPCI statement is not so frank and therefore people still sign it.

of2,I know what you mean.............It just frustrates me sometimes when
people talk out of both sides of thier mouth!!!!

Especially ministers............. I've never tried to convince anyone to change
thier view on anything.........

I have sit at dinner tables, meeting tables, etc.... and heard prominient preachers and leaders laugh and joke
about standards and some doctrine......... saying its no big deal............ we just do it to keep the peace..

Then those same get in the pulpit and rail on standards and talk about keeping the old paths..

Makes me want to vomit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by POWERUP

of2,I know what you mean.............It just frustrates me sometimes when
people talk out of both sides of thier mouth!!!!

Especially ministers............. I've never tried to convince anyone to change
thier view on anything.........

I have sit at dinner tables, meeting tables, etc.... and heard prominient preachers and leaders laugh and joke
about standards and some doctrine......... saying its no big deal............ we just do it to keep the peace..

Then those same get in the pulpit and rail on standards and talk about keeping the old paths..

Makes me want to vomit!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes thats sad. It happens because of pressure and I admit its wrong. Sort of like me, I leave someone's salvation to God if they don't speak in tongues, etc. People on this forum portray that an impossibility in regards to UPC views of salvation. Some just need to learn to let a conscience decide the matter for personal beliefs. If these preachers really examined what they believe and why, it would help them decide to stay or decide to leave. Thats what I had to do and while I no longer condemn people for the things I did in the past, I am staying because I can find peace with the beliefs and still uphold my conscience. These men need to also. If they stand in the pulpit and say women go to hell for cutting their hair, they need to believe that. If not, they need to stop saying things that are cookie cutter beliefs that people will say "Amen" to.

Bro. Dillon was approached by a guy who went to JCM who wholeheartedly disagreed with the uncut hair doctrine. He told Bro. Dillon that he doesn't believe it because he doesn't preach it. Bro. Dillon affirmed that he believes the doctrine and quite frequently refers to his wife as to what he believes. But he doesn't condemn and I think thats the part people have trouble with in the UPC or outside the UPC looking in. Everything has to be heaven or hell, sink or swim, white or black. Nothing seems to be able to be church teachings based on the Bible to further please the Lord in our lives. The spirit of the Pharisee isn't just in the UPC, its in every church org in existence in some form.

[POWERUP]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Yes thats sad. It happens because of pressure and I admit its wrong. Sort of like me, I leave someone's salvation to God if they don't speak in tongues, etc. People on this forum portray that an impossibility in regards to UPC views of salvation. Some just need to learn to let a conscience decide the matter for personal beliefs. If these preachers really examined what they believe and why, it would help them decide to stay or decide to leave. Thats what I had to do and while I no longer condemn people for the things I did in the past, I am staying because I can find peace with the beliefs and still uphold my conscience. These men need to also. If they stand in the pulpit and say women go to hell for cutting their hair, they need to believe that. If not, they need to stop saying things that are cookie cutter beliefs that people will say "Amen" to.

Bro. Dillon was approached by a guy who went to JCM who wholeheartedly disagreed with the uncut hair doctrine. He told Bro. Dillon that he doesn't believe it because he doesn't preach it. Bro. Dillon affirmed that he believes the doctrine and quite frequently refers to his wife as to what he believes. But he doesn't condemn and I think thats the part people have trouble with in the UPC or outside the UPC looking in. Everything has to be heaven or hell, sink or swim, white or black. Nothing seems to be able to be church teachings based on the Bible to further please the Lord in our lives. The spirit of the Pharisee isn't just in the UPC, its in every church org in existence in some form.

I wholeheartily agree with you. If you believe it, say you believe it. Stick
with it..........

I have a friend who pastors in Sebasstopool, Ms. You may know him. He is
as strict as they come. Trust me. Do I agree? Nope..... But I respect his
stand on what he preaches......

He's a young man, and a awesome minister.

I haven't spoke with him in some time, but last time I did he don't associate
with the UPC to much........

To liberal for him..LOL

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by POWERUP

I wholeheartily agree with you. If you believe it, say you believe it. Stick
with it..........

I have a friend who pastors in Sebasstopool, Ms. You may know him. He is
as strict as they come. Trust me. Do I agree? Nope..... But I respect his
stand on what he preaches......

He's a young man, and a awesome minister.

I haven't spoke with him in some time, but last time I did he don't associate
with the UPC to much........

To liberal for him..LOL

Are you talking about Mark Copeland? I think thats his name and I've preached there years ago.

[POWERUP]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Are you talking about Mark Copeland? I think thats his name and I've preached there years ago.

Thats him........... Has a great church..... A lot of my dads family goes there.

They just got into thier new church. Dad said it was a whopping 6 Mill....

go online and check it out.......

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by POWERUP

Thats him........... Has a great church..... A lot of my dads family goes there.

They just got into thier new church. Dad said it was a whopping 6 Mill....

go online and check it out.......

6 million? sheesh thats more than FPC in jackson. Yes that was an awesome church when I was there.