The First Lady Cites Jesus Christ As An Example

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The Bible doesn't teach that one who doesn't work for what they have is worst than an infidel.

The Bible does teach us to look out for the poor, orphans, widows, elderly and the strangers that may sojourn in our land.

Get it right, Bro Robbins.

1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
King James Version
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

And yes, the Bible does instruct us to care for those that are hurting, the widows and the orphans... absolutely, but not via governmental theft and mandate.

It is to be via the church, and our own personal charity and choice. The Bible does not anywhere condone taking from me BY FORCE, and giving to someone else hurting. The Bible teaches, me operating in the love of Christ and ME giving to the poor, orphans, and widows.

I believe you are the one who needs to get it right.....

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
King James Version
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

And yes, the Bible does instruct us to care for those that are hurting, the widows and the orphans... absolutely, but not via governmental theft and mandate.

It is to be via the church, and our own personal charity and choice. The Bible does not anywhere condone taking from me BY FORCE, and giving to someone else hurting. The Bible teaches, me operating in the love of Christ and ME giving to the poor, orphans, and widows.

I believe you are the one who needs to get it right.....

Bro Robbins,
The scripture you quoted is different from what you originally stated.

You took an added liberty with a scripture to justify your aggravation with a certain evil in our society.


Satan deceived Eve by taking liberty with the Word of God.


The Bible lays the groundwork for a government providing for her citizens.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's."

Is it not fit for the government to look out for the poor, widows, orphans, elderly, infirmed, and even the stranger?

Would it be right for America to shell out billions of dollars to help the citizens of other nations and spend ZERO on helping her own citizens?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro Robbins,
The scripture you quoted is different from what you originally stated.

You took an added liberty with a scripture to justify your aggravation with a certain evil in our society.


Satan deceived Eve by taking liberty with the Word of God.


The Bible lays the groundwork for a government providing for her citizens.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's."

Is it not fit for the government to look out for the poor, widows, orphans, elderly, infirmed, and even the stranger?

Would it be right for America to shell out billions of dollars to help the citizens of other nations and spend ZERO on helping her own citizens?

You and I interpret the Scripture differently. I see it just how I interpreted it, however you subtly want to personally attack me by parralleling my interpretation of Scripture with Satan in the garden. That is why dialogue with you is not productive... because you make it personal... as you did there.

And no, it is NOT FIT for government to look out for the poor, widows, orphans, elderly, infirmed or the stranger.... or to shell out billions to help citizens of other nations.... NEITHER is appropriate, and NEITHER is within the constitutional or Biblical mandate for Government.

Romans 13 limits the role of government, as well does the Constitution. The role of benevolence is not a governmental role, but a responsibility of individuals and the church.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Bro. Robbins,
I apologize for comparing you to Satan.

That is exactly what I did, I knew it when I did it. I did it in jest and thought that it would have been clear.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro. Robbins,
I apologize for comparing you to Satan.

That is exactly what I did, I knew it when I did it. I did it in jest and thought that it would have been clear.

I accept your apology. There were no emoticons, no one can assume anything, but only take on face value.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I accept your apology. There were no emoticons, no one can assume anything, but only take on face value.

Bro Robbins,
Believe or not, I thought about our exchange after I logged off the other day and I would like to re-visit it.


I should not have compared you to satan. I should have compared you to Eve. The reason why is because both you and her have added to God's Word with your interpretations.

I know you don't mean harm and I don't mean any harm either.

There are folks who are not able to provide for their families-- for a variety of reasons, especially in this economy. It's not because they don't want to, it's because they can't find a job.

There are folks who are injured and cannot provide for their families.

There are situations where there are lazy people who simply won't work, but usually that is not the case.


I don't understand how you can think it to be a bad thing for our government to provide assistance to people in their time of need. Sure, it could be a better system, but it is better for these poeple to be helped so that they can eventually help themselves.


So with the point I was trying to make, a better comparison would be to compare you to Eve. satan questioned God's Word, Eve added her own interpretation.

There aren't any emoticons, but this isn't an attack either.

It is a conversation.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

And no, it is NOT FIT for government to look out for the poor, widows, orphans, elderly, infirmed or the stranger.... or to shell out billions to help citizens of other nations.... NEITHER is appropriate, and NEITHER is within the constitutional or Biblical mandate for Government.

Well I happen to think that it is a good thing that our government has programs in place to help the people in discussion.

Maybe too much is money is spent on these programs at times.
Maybe these programs could be tweaked to be more efficient.
Still, our government does well to look out for her citizens.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I happen to think that it is a good thing that our government has programs in place to help the people in discussion.

Maybe too much is money is spent on these programs at times.
Maybe these programs could be tweaked to be more efficient.
Still, our government does well to look out for her citizens.

Then you and I will never see eye to eye brother. I respect your point of view, and hope you will respect mine. I do not believe that is the role government should play at all... I stand completely opposed to it.

blessings to you.