He is Still Oneness Pentecostal In Heart

hometown guy · #1 04-04-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Bishop if you are teaching anything other than Salvation by Faith thru Grace then you yourself are teaching the false doctrine that you so vehemently oppose.

You yourself know that Jesus' strongest rebuke was always directed to the legalist religious leaders of His time. Who were adding burdens to the people that were not of God. They were not pointing them towards a loving Father but towards a system of that would strain gnats.

You may be a grace filled man and you may even extend grace to all that come your way but what if the truth that you teach is not the complete truth ?

Your correct I have judged you when I don't know you but when you start talking about another Brother in Christ is not preaching the truth, when in fact he is preaching Christ and Him crucified. You yourself have judged another mans servant.

Thank you for the advice about hermeneutics and I will study.

Just to help you understand scripture so you can use it in the right context... The strongest rebuke was to the religious leaders for what they did NOT do. In fact Jesus said to do as they preach but don't do as they do cause they aren't living the message. They were condemned cause they were hypocrites and carnal and wanted a reward here on earth.

Matthew 23:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Aquila · #2 04-04-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

Just to help you understand scripture so you can use it in the right context... The strongest rebuke was to the religious leaders for what they did NOT do. In fact Jesus said to do as they preach but don't do as they do cause they aren't living the message. They were condemned cause they were hypocrites and carnal and wanted a reward here on earth.

Matthew 23:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

In context... they'd bid you not to eat pork or anything else unclean. In context... they'd demand you be ritually cleansed from laying in the same bed as your wife when she was on her menses. In context... they'd bid you to observe the Sabbath and over 300 other laws.

This was Jesus speaking... UNDER THE LAW to people living UNDER THE LAW. Context... context.

We can't pluck a verse or teaching prior to the cross and impose it upon ourselves in this covenantal dispensation. We are called to be something far greater than anything provided by any form of law... we are called to be conformed into the image and likeness of Jesus. We are called to love God with all our hearts and to demonstrate that love by loving our neighbor as ourselves... in spite of what any law might say. It is through this love that we bear fruit. And that fruit, as it grows, is our sanctification... for as it grows... we become like Him who broke their traditions and expanded the law beyond their legalism.

hometown guy · #3 04-04-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

In context... they'd bid you not to eat pork or anything else unclean. In context... they'd demand you be ritually cleansed from laying in the same bed as your wife when she was on her menses. In context... they'd bid you to observe the Sabbath and over 300 other laws.

This was Jesus speaking... UNDER THE LAW to people living UNDER THE LAW. Context... context.

We can't pluck a verse or teaching prior to the cross and impose it upon ourselves in this covenantal dispensation. We are called to be something far greater than anything provided by any form of law... we are called to be conformed into the image and likeness of Jesus. We are called to love God with all our hearts and to demonstrate that love by loving our neighbor as ourselves... in spite of what any law might say. It is through this love that we bear fruit. And that fruit, as it grows, is our sanctification... for as it grows... we become like Him who broke their traditions and expanded the law beyond their legalism.

I'm not the one that needs a bible study it's the goat that does. He was trying to use that scripture to nail a outward holiness preacher and it doesn't work with that scripture.... Or any other scripture

Aquila · #4 04-04-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

I'm not the one that needs a bible study it's the goat that does. He was trying to use that scripture to nail a outward holiness preacher and it doesn't work with that scripture.... Or any other scripture

Amen.

navygoat1998 · #5 04-04-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen.

Is there such thing as outward holiness??? If it is it the standards of dress???

Aquila · #6 04-04-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Is there such thing as outward holiness??? Christ called them whitewashed tombs.

No. Not in the sense that they mean it.

Now, true holiness of a heart being conformed into the image of Jesus will love God and their neighbour. Such love will drive all that we do. We will be cautious with how we dress and behave. But it is because of God's grace... not to earn it. And it will be led by the Spirit... not led by some rule in a dusty book of church bylaws condemning red pantyhose, purple neck ties, t-shirts, beards, or open toed sandles.

Not even Jesus Himself could get licensed in these fellowships... and they think He's in what they do??? LOL! No sir!!!

Remember... there is a demonic "spirit of religion" that seeks to bring believers into bondage. And it has been working overtime with Apostolic Pentecostals.

People are being conformed into the image of their pastors, churches, and organizations... not Christ's. Woe to us! Imagine getting to Heaven and Jesus saying, "Oh, you were a mighty fine Pentecostal! Look at all the standards you lived by..." He begins listing them and so we puff our chest out with religious pride. And He then stops and says, "But... I'm NOT a Pentecostal."

If it doesn't conform you into the image and likeness of Jesus... what image is it conforming you into? Ah... the subtle seduction of... idolatry...

navygoat1998 · #7 04-04-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

No. Not in the sense that they mean it.

Now, true holiness of a heart being conformed into the image of Jesus will love God and their neighbour. Such love will drive all that we do. We will be cautious with how we dress and behave. But it is because of God's grace... not to earn it. And it will be led by the Spirit... not some dusty rule in a book of church bylaws condemning red pantyhose, t-shirts, or open toed sandles.

I agree! Its an issue when your conviction becomes a standard in which to judge others.

When you think that your revelation of Christ is bigger then my revelation of Christ and my revelation of Christ is not correct because it is different than yours.

We all grow differently!

navygoat1998 · #8 04-04-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

No. Not in the sense that they mean it.

Now, true holiness of a heart being conformed into the image of Jesus will love God and their neighbour. Such love will drive all that we do. We will be cautious with how we dress and behave. But it is because of God's grace... not to earn it. And it will be led by the Spirit... not led by some rule in a dusty book of church bylaws condemning red pantyhose, purple neck ties, t-shirts, beards, or open toed sandles.

Not even Jesus Himself could get licensed in these fellowships... and they think He's in what they do??? LOL! No sir!!!

Remember... there is a demonic "spirit of religion" that seeks to bring believers into bondage. And it has been working overtime with Apostolic Pentecostals. People are being conformed into the image of their pastors, churches, and organizations... not Christ's. Woe to us! Imagine getting to Heaven and Jesus saying, "Oh, you were a mighty fine Pentecostal! Look at all the standards you lived by..." He beings listing them and so we puff our chest out with religious pride. And He then stops and says, "But... I'm NOT a Pentecostal."

If it doesn't conform you into the image and likeness of Jesus... what image is it conforming you into? Ah... the subtle seduction of... idolatry...

Thank you Aquila that is very inspired .