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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
"Unless" does not mean optional
"Unless" actually EXCLUDES something from being optional
The word is a conditional (we learned about that in math)
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Except is the word that I was referring to as "optional".(except a man is born of water.....).... optional....(except a man is born of the Spirit).....optional. Optional(Except) means... "this is your option whether or not you want to be born again" to enter into the kingdom........
An example of a common use of the word except...." If you choose to be born again I will let you into the Kingdom of God....that is the "exception" I will make for you"
"Unless" was only a synonym I used to help describe the word,"except".
You may have missed the point I made, that these guys say that being born of water is NOT optional.....everyone from birth is born of water. Then all they need is the Spirit birth. Which is their option to be saved or not.(they dont automatically have it(Spirit from birth).....hope that clarifies.
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07-11-2014, 12:36 AM
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Except is the word that I was referring to as "optional".(except a man is born of water.....).... optional....(except a man is born of the Spirit).....optional. Optional(Except) means... "this is your option whether or not you want to be born again" to enter into the kingdom........
An example of a common use of the word except...." If you choose to be born again I will let you into the Kingdom of God....that is the "exception" I will make for you"
"Unless" was only a synonym I used to help describe the word,"except".
You may have missed the point I made, that these guys say that being born of water is NOT optional.....everyone from birth is born of water. Then all they need is the Spirit birth. Which is their option to be saved or not.(they dont automatically have it(Spirit from birth).....hope that clarifies.
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Since Except and Unless are synonyms, neither one means "optional"
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
"Unless" does not mean optional
"Unless" actually EXCLUDES something from being optional
The word is a conditional (we learned about that in math)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
Since Except and Unless are synonyms, neither one means "optional"
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Sorry, Sean, but I have to ruh-roh, Prax here. He is right. 
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Sorry, Sean, but I have to ruh-roh, Prax here. He is right. |
Sean agrees with prax an prax agrees with Sean. Being born again is optional. You don't have to so it. However if u want to go to heaven... It is a requirement for that
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Sean agrees with prax an prax agrees with Sean. Being born again is optional. You don't have to so it. However if u want to go to heaven... It is a requirement for that
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Don't get ur hopes up.. I was speaking for sean
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Don't get ur hopes up.. I was speaking for sean
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Awww what a disappointment. 
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Re: Water/Spirit Doctrine Destroyed Beautifully
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Sean agrees with prax an prax agrees with Sean. Being born again is optional. You don't have to so it. However if u want to go to heaven... It is a requirement for that
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Sean's comment, here, suggests that "except" in the Greek is defined as "optional". That is what, I believe, Prax was addressing.
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[COLOR="Red"]The word "except" is used in the passage 2 times. Verse 5 for both water and Spirit, meaning "unless", which makes Spirit optional.
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Notice that I agree with what Sean is trying to imply, while agreeing with the technicality of definition concerning the word "except" that Prax offered.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
If you are saying, which you are, a person has a choice, that is true. But, technically, the word "except" implies "exclusion".
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