Oh, what do I believe? I'm an agnostic. Further, I believe there is nothing after death. And I believe it's hogwash to claim that someone who doesn't believe in God (and that God has told us things) is evil, doesn't love truth, is a fool, etc. Utter hogwash.
Timmy,
Please help me understand. Why are you associated with a “Christian” forum when you are agnostic? Why don’t you dialogue with people on an agnostic forum? Really, what is your purpose here? Are people on AFF the only individuals you socialize with? How agnostic are you by socializing on a Christian forum?
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Timmy,
Please help me understand. Why are you associated with a “Christian” forum when you are agnostic? Why don’t you dialogue with people on an agnostic forum? Really, what is your purpose here? Are people on AFF the only individuals you socialize with? How agnostics are you by socializing on a Christian forum?
The leftover guilty complex.
down deep inside of him, there is still a longing for the things of the spirit, that is why he still hangs around people who talk about spiritual things.
he knows he lost something along the way and he is somehow trying to recuperate what he lost, but he does not know how.
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down deep inside of him, there is still a longing for the things of the spirit, that is why he still hangs around people who talk about spiritual things.
he knows he lost something along the way and he is somehow trying to recuperate what he lost, but he does not know how.
Yeah, you nailed it. That's exactly it. I lost something (depression, disappointment, despair) and I'm trying to recuperate. I miss those days, when faith didn't do squat, when I wondered what I was doing wrong, when I thought about suicide all the time.
SMH.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Yeah, you nailed it. That's exactly it. I lost something (depression, disappointment, despair) and I'm trying to recuperate. I miss those days, when faith didn't do squat, when I wondered what I was doing wrong, when I thought about suicide all the time.
SMH.
Timothy..first of all I am very sorry that something happened that led to all those feelings you experienced. So it appears that you are not really Agnostic.. you lost your faith. There is a difference. I think having faith...keeping faith...is something that we have to decide to do every day. Right now my husband and I are dealing with things that are so horrible that if we did not choose to keep believing God on a daily basis, I could see myself going down into a pit of despair. God does not promise to remove all of our difficulties in our lives.. but he does promise to not give us more than we can handle and that he will give us the strength to get through it. Yesterday I went and paid my property taxes (september 10). If I would not have paid them by the 12th we would have lost our home. I went through months of praying and seeking God that he would work things out. Some days I felt peace and other days I wondered if He was listening to me..so I kept praying. A few days ago my husband's family sent us what we needed to be able to keep our home. Am I grateful to them? absolutely..they are amazing and I am blessed to have them in my life. But I know it is God who deserves the praise for providing. Every day is a struggle since my husband lost his job but each day we choose to believe God will work things out.. each day we choose to do what needs to be done to get through it (looking for work, selling things on ebay if necessary, etc). Faith is a choice. Sometimes it is easy to believe and to be honest some days take a lot more prayer and seeking God to keep that faith. If it was not for my faith in God, I know I would not be able to deal with the stress we are going through. Again I am sorry for whatever you went through to cause you to lose your faith.
Timothy..first of all I am very sorry that something happened that led to all those feelings you experienced. So it appears that you are not really Agnostic.. you lost your faith. There is a difference. I think having faith...keeping faith...is something that we have to decide to do every day. Right now my husband and I are dealing with things that are so horrible that if we did not choose to keep believing God on a daily basis, I could see myself going down into a pit of despair. God does not promise to remove all of our difficulties in our lives.. but he does promise to not give us more than we can handle and that he will give us the strength to get through it. Yesterday I went and paid my property taxes (september 10). If I would not have paid them by the 12th we would have lost our home. I went through months of praying and seeking God that he would work things out. Some days I felt peace and other days I wondered if He was listening to me..so I kept praying. A few days ago my husband's family sent us what we needed to be able to keep our home. Am I grateful to them? absolutely..they are amazing and I am blessed to have them in my life. But I know it is God who deserves the praise for providing. Every day is a struggle since my husband lost his job but each day we choose to believe God will work things out.. each day we choose to do what needs to be done to get through it (looking for work, selling things on ebay if necessary, etc). Faith is a choice. Sometimes it is easy to believe and to be honest some days take a lot more prayer and seeking God to keep that faith. If it was not for my faith in God, I know I would not be able to deal with the stress we are going through. Again I am sorry for whatever you went through to cause you to lose your faith.
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I know of some Agnostics that are not sure if there is a God but they also will not say there is no God. They are still trying to figure things out. It's like being on a fence. You don't want to choose what is on the left and you don't want to choose what is on the right because you do not want to choose (or guess as you put it) the wrong side. Do you believe that God exists? That really is the first decision that needs to be made. If you are not sure that God exists then I can understand now why you have a problem with believing that the Bible is God's word and also not believing that God communicates with people and wants to have a relationship with them. You see if the Bible really is God's word and He really does want to have a relationship with us then that means there is someone that we need to be accountable to for the decisions that we make.
Other than calling yourself Agnostic...what do you believe in relation to God and who He is? Do you believe He exists or are you not sure that he exists (in this case are you seeking answers so you can know for sure)? What are your beliefs about Jesus? I'm assuming you do not believe he came to save the lost because if there is no afterlife then why bother? I'm not trying to disrespect you and I am not calling you evil. I really want to know and understand where you are coming from.
My apologies to Houston that this is off topic from the original post.
My apologies to other members if anything I am saying sounds argumentative. That is not my intention.
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Originally Posted by ixoye_val69
Timothy..first of all I am very sorry that something happened that led to all those feelings you experienced. So it appears that you are not really Agnostic.. you lost your faith. There is a difference. I think having faith...keeping faith...is something that we have to decide to do every day. Right now my husband and I are dealing with things that are so horrible that if we did not choose to keep believing God on a daily basis, I could see myself going down into a pit of despair. God does not promise to remove all of our difficulties in our lives.. but he does promise to not give us more than we can handle and that he will give us the strength to get through it. Yesterday I went and paid my property taxes (september 10). If I would not have paid them by the 12th we would have lost our home. I went through months of praying and seeking God that he would work things out. Some days I felt peace and other days I wondered if He was listening to me..so I kept praying. A few days ago my husband's family sent us what we needed to be able to keep our home. Am I grateful to them? absolutely..they are amazing and I am blessed to have them in my life. But I know it is God who deserves the praise for providing. Every day is a struggle since my husband lost his job but each day we choose to believe God will work things out.. each day we choose to do what needs to be done to get through it (looking for work, selling things on ebay if necessary, etc). Faith is a choice. Sometimes it is easy to believe and to be honest some days take a lot more prayer and seeking God to keep that faith. If it was not for my faith in God, I know I would not be able to deal with the stress we are going through. Again I am sorry for whatever you went through to cause you to lose your faith.
Thank you for the respectful and thoughtful comments and questions! It's refreshing.
I've said before that everyone should do what works for them. If faith in God works, great! Keep it up! If it doesn't, then try something else! That's what I did, and it's like night and day. Still not perfect, and no philosophy or religion ever will be, I suppose, but it works best. I'm alive!
Oh, that reminds me, I owe a post to someone on what works for me -- it slipped my mind. We've highjacked this thread beyond recognition, so maybe I'll start a new thread. Or find that other one.
All the best!
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Thank you for the respectful and thoughtful comments and questions! It's refreshing.
I've said before that everyone should do what works for them. If faith in God works, great! Keep it up! If it doesn't, then try something else! That's what I did, and it's like night and day. Still not perfect, and no philosophy or religion ever will be, I suppose, but it works best. I'm alive!
Oh, that reminds me, I owe a post to someone on what works for me -- it slipped my mind. We've highjacked this thread beyond recognition, so maybe I'll start a new thread. Or find that other one.
All the best!
Yes..it seems like this thread is all over the place now. LOL
Yeah, you nailed it. That's exactly it. I lost something (depression, disappointment, despair) and I'm trying to recuperate. I miss those days, when faith didn't do squat, when I wondered what I was doing wrong, when I thought about suicide all the time.
SMH.
you never found Christ, Timmy; you found "church." Big diff.
Timmy,
Please help me understand. Why are you associated with a “Christian” forum when you are agnostic? Why don’t you dialogue with people on an agnostic forum? Really, what is your purpose here? Are people on AFF the only individuals you socialize with? How agnostic are you by socializing on a Christian forum?
So, everyone should dialog with people who believe the same thing they do? Where's the fun in that?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
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