"in the Spirit"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Amen! And note that one must put the Book down to worship, which btw cannot--or anyway does not--happen in a church building. "Worship" means "follow."

The definition for "worship" that is used most in the NT is proskuneō. Notice that it is very close to proseuchomai, which is the most used definition for "pray".

In the Greek, "worship" means to "kiss the hand" or "meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand".

It means, metaphorically, that we trust God "entirely" with our care and that is, or should be, our heart and focus when we commune with God.

[shazeep]

Ah, yes. Ok then, to a Hebrew "worship" means "follow." and ty for the clarify.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Ah, yes. Ok then, to a Hebrew "worship" means "follow." and ty for the clarify.

I was looking in the Hebrew and "worship" means to "bow down". Where do you get "follow"?

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by mfblume

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. (15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The context shows praying with understanding to be prayer in native language. it's a contrast from native language to tongues respectively when it says with understanding and in the spirit.

You folks are mistaking him to say it is a contrast between being in the Spirit OF GOD or in the flesh. In the spirit here is not IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD. It does not mean not in the flesh. It simply means not with understanding. MY HUMAN SPIRIT prays when I pray in tongues. It is a lower case "S" in English to indicate human spirit.

Paul said MY SPIRIT prayeth.

1Co 14:14 KJV For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Excellent!

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by houston

Ever pray in tongues and feel contractions in your belly? Serious question.

I have.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Yes, frequently. Such as seemed a burden of intercessory prayer or perhaps personal deliverance, as the case may be.

I agree!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

because it's the only verse in the entire bible that mentions prayer in the spirit and that's what the original poster asked about.

lol!

Literalists can be so funny. If something isn't mentioned word for word... they spin their wheels, failing to see what else is there. Some things are spiritually discerned I guess.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

lol!

Literalists can be so funny. If something isn't mentioned word for word... they spin their wheels, failing to see what else is there. Some things are spiritually discerned I guess.

It has nothing to do with literalism. When the original poster mentioned praying in the spirit, this is the scripture that came to me. So I simply explained what Paul meant in that verse. Go figure. I already said I agreed with your thoughts but just that the verse I dealt with was not dealing with them. Did you forget I agreed? You laugh at me as though I am literalist and cannot accept prayer in spirit can refer to other things after I agreed it can.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

lol!

Literalists can be so funny. If something isn't mentioned word for word... they spin their wheels, failing to see what else is there. Some things are spiritually discerned I guess.

How could you intellectually discuss "praying in the Spirit" if you didn't go to the exact literal scripture that discussed the issue?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I was looking in the Hebrew and "worship" means to "bow down". Where do you get "follow"?

from a Hebrew--but surely, just as in our "translations" of Scripture, sometimes no one word is perfect. However, you might notice on FB the notifications from "TWOO," an Israeli site, that "follow us" has been (incorrectly, here) translated as "worship us."

But i am getting some translator deviation there, also; two separate Hebrew words for "worship" and "follow." Hmm. My Hebrew friend is also having no problem with "bow down." To him they mean the same thing.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

from a Hebrew--but surely, just as in our "translations" of Scripture, sometimes no one word is perfect. However, you might notice on FB the notifications from "TWOO," an Israeli site, that "follow us" has been (incorrectly, here) translated as "worship us."

But i am getting some translator deviation there, also; two separate Hebrew words for "worship" and "follow." Hmm. My Hebrew friend is also having no problem with "bow down." To him they mean the same thing.

Your Hebrew friend is saying that shâchâh is "follow"?

Brown, Driver, Briggs has "bowed down". I don't know how your friend is getting follow.