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Originally Posted by Sarge
I believe any organization that issues ministerial licenses (no matter what they call themselves) should be concerned and take action when they hear about a minister they have licensed that is doing things that are harmful. They do have the authority to take away a license or not reissue one. To hide behind the statement that "we are just a ministerial organization and all our churches are autonomous" is a cop-out.
While that person holds a license, they are representing the organization that gave the license. Thus, as in the case of the UPC, their rules require that any minister licensed by the UPC who pastors a church, there is to be a mention of it being a UPC church on the sign somewhere. It matters not if they are officially affiliated.
So when one of these ministers gets messed up, their actions reflect on the organization. And when the organization does not take action, then it reflects poorly upon the entire body.
At my former church, the District Superintendent well knew there had been problems through the years. People from my church even went directly to him. A family from my church left (this was before my time there) and started attending the DS's church and their daughter married the pastor's son. That family knew of abuses in the church. There is no way that the District was ignorant.
But the years passed and people continued to be hurt and the pastor continued with his license, unchecked. This should never have been.
Lois
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Originally Posted by Sarge
The thought that one cannot or should not speak about these things is erroneous. Even the Bible addresses problems the early church had. Some people's names are given, too. And these things have been read for literally hundreds of years, all over the earth.
Ah, now come on! Name names.  If you don't, you can be discredited. If you do, then you are accused of other things. Either way, in some people's eyes, you will never be in a 'win' situation. You're wrong if you do and wrong if you don't.
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Sis Lois,
Is there ever a time for
Matthew 18 to be allowed to have it's way?(if Your brother offends You...)
And have You ever seen it in action?
Should it be obeyed even when overseers (Pastors, District Supers etc)
ignore it?
Nina
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