Can Someone be "Apostolic" and Deny Christ is God?

[Praxeas]

waiting for the contradiction

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

waiting for the contradiction

Never mind.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Never mind.

timmy posting one verse does not show me the contradiction. You have to compare 2 verses at least and be able to explain

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

timmy posting one verse does not show me the contradiction. You have to compare 2 verses at least and be able to explain

OK, sorry, I thought the Hebrews verse was fresh in the mind.

Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

2 Chronicles 29:23-24

23And they brought forth the he goats for the sin offering before the king and the congregation; and they laid their hands upon them:

24And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

OK, sorry, I thought the Hebrews verse was fresh in the mind.

Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

2 Chronicles 29:23-24

23And they brought forth the he goats for the sin offering before the king and the congregation; and they laid their hands upon them:

24And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel.

Christ's blood remits sins. Animal blood could nor did not. That is why atonement occurred annually. Christ's sacrifice occurred once.

I love this concept.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Christ's blood remits sins. Animal blood could nor did not. That is why atonement occurred annually. Christ's sacrifice occurred once.

I love this concept.

Oh, it's a nifty concept, alright! So, Christ's blood worked so much better than bull's blood that it had to be done just once, and worked even against future sins, whereas bull's blood worked only for the sins of the past year or so? But: it did work! Hebrews says it doesn't work.

And yes, I am looking at the context! Verse 1 says the law and the annual sacrifices could not make anyone perfect. So in what way is Christ's blood more effective, for this purpose? Did it make anyone perfect? Are you perfect?

And now I will learn again of that wonderful imputed righteousness, where God sees us (er, you) as perfect. But the contradiction still is there. The blood of bulls did take away sins. Also, Hebrews 10:6, "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure." But God used to take pleasure in sacrifices! Exodus 29:25 and others talk about that sweet savour before the Lord.

[notofworks]

I voted "Yes" just to be in the minority. I love being against everyone.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Oh, it's a nifty concept, alright! So, Christ's blood worked so much better than bull's blood that it had to be done just once, and worked even against future sins, whereas bull's blood worked only for the sins of the past year or so? But: it did work! Hebrews says it doesn't work.

lol

No, Hebrews said it does not REMIT sins.

And yes, I am looking at the context!

No you're not.

Verse 1 says the law and the annual sacrifices could not make anyone perfect. So in what way is Christ's blood more effective, for this purpose? Did it make anyone perfect? Are you perfect?

See? You missed context. The context is a perfect means of remitting sins.

And now I will learn again of that wonderful imputed righteousness, where God sees us (er, you) as perfect. But the contradiction still is there. The blood of bulls did take away sins.

No it didn't. Remembrance of sins is not taking them away. The issue is remission removed very remembrance. GOD FORGETS the sin. See? You never read the context.

Also, Hebrews 10:6, "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure." But God used to take pleasure in sacrifices! Exodus 29:25 and others talk about that sweet savour before the Lord.

More prooftexting.

T, even the best of scholars are amazed at the depth of Hebrews, let alone someone who looks for fault in it.