Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

notofworks · #1 10-20-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

azzan, have you been baptized in water and in spirit? has that helped any? some people are destined to live single lives. have you considered that as an option?

The Magic Wand strategy has never worked.

deadeye · #2 10-20-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

The Magic Wand strategy has never worked.

Never???

I have seen plenty that were delivered from the depths of sin because they were Born Again of Water and Spirit,...

Does every one that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost change?....no...but many do.

Its called becoming a New Creature in Christ.

deadeye · #3 10-20-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Never???

I have seen plenty that were delivered from the depths of sin because they were Born Again of Water and Spirit,...

Does every one that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost change?....no...but many do.

Its called becoming a New Creature in Christ.

having said that...it also takes a fair amount of self determination on the persons part for God to be able to make a change.

notofworks · #4 10-20-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Never???

I have seen plenty that were delivered from the depths of sin because they were Born Again of Water and Spirit,...

Does every one that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost change?....no...but many do.

Its called becoming a New Creature in Christ.

So then, what about those who don't change.....at all, and continue to struggle for years with a particular sin or a variety of them? They didn't become a new creature?

And no, the magic wand doesn't work. I don't believe speaking in tongues changes everything. Well, I personally don't think it does much of anything, but our faith in Christ, which gives us the Holy Spirit (which I know you don't agree with us) gives us power to go beyond our natural selves but it doesn't do the work for us.

Aquila · #5 10-20-2010, 02:57 PM

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So then, what about those who don't change.....at all, and continue to struggle for years with a particular sin or a variety of them? They didn't become a new creature?

My first Pastor used to say that we're treasures in earthen vessels.

Aquila · #6 10-20-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

Never???

I have seen plenty that were delivered from the depths of sin because they were Born Again of Water and Spirit,...

Does every one that is baptized in Jesus Name and filled with the Holy Ghost change?....no...but many do.

Its called becoming a New Creature in Christ.

I don't think most Christians KNOW what goes into delivering a person from this infirmity. It takes a healing touch on the entire person - body, soul, and spirit. It's a miracle actually. Those delivered should rejoice. Others shouldn't insist that such a healing can be attained through by sheer will.

Azzan · #7 10-21-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't think most Christians KNOW what goes into delivering a person from this infirmity. It takes a healing touch on the entire person - body, soul, and spirit. It's a miracle actually. Those delivered should rejoice. Others shouldn't insist that such a healing can be attained through by sheer will.

Sadly, I never experienced such a miracle although I strived mightly to do so. And you are correct, most Christians have no idea.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Hey, don't feel bad. I was baptized and filled with the HG and I'm still attracted to very beautiful women. I never chose to be straight. I've fought my attractions, but they don't seem to abate. I find myself catching a peak every so often and pray God forgives me. Sometimes a lovely young lady talks to me and I can't help but have a few thoughts fly through my mind that I repent of. More often, I'll see women walking around the airport where I work and catch myself "checking them out". Then I feel guilty and pray God forgives me. I don't chase women down and try to seduce them. But... I can't ditch my opposite gender attraction.

You pray for me... I'll pray for you.

And I cannot ditch my same gender attraction.

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I do believe prayer and fasting is what it takes to break this yoke of bondage and I know you said you have gone that route. Don't know how long you fasted and it isn't important for me to know. I know Jesus told His disciples that some spirits only come out by prayer and fasting.

I believe there are some spirits stronger than others, and I truly believe that the spirit of homosexuality is one if not the strongest spirit I have seen to be conquered.

Thank you. I have heard this before. In fact, I have been told I was demon possessed. Let me tell that was a real moral booster. Not.

Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are ministering to a gay person, be very mindful of what you say and how you say it. You may be the last Christian they ever talk to.

notofworks · #8 10-21-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

Sadly, I never experienced such a miracle although I strived mightly to do so. And you are correct, most Christians have no idea.

And I cannot ditch my same gender attraction.

Thank you. I have heard this before. In fact, I have been told I was demon possessed. Let me tell that was a real moral booster. Not.

Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are ministering to a gay person, be very mindful of what you say and how you say it. You may be the last Christian they ever talk to.

Esther's remarks are incredibly ridiculous but unfortunately, they represent a wide school of thought on the subject. It's not uncommon for pentecostals to think they can fast their way into or out of anything and nowhere is that ever taught in scripture. Same with the possession theory. I don't know how people say it with a straight face. It's lazy Christianity, in my opinion. Let's just accuse everyone who's issues we can't solve, of not praying enough, fasting enough, or being demon-possessed.

coadie · #9 10-21-2010, 11:25 AM

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Esther's remarks are incredibly ridiculous but unfortunately, they represent a wide school of thought on the subject. It's not uncommon for pentecostals to think they can fast their way into or out of anything and nowhere is that ever taught in scripture. Same with the possession theory. I don't know how people say it with a straight face. It's lazy Christianity, in my opinion. Let's just accuse everyone who's issues we can't solve, of not praying enough, fasting enough, or being demon-possessed.

No bible verses that support your assertions? Is Esther being judged by your holier PC standards?
Politically correctness is the modern version of legalism.

Praxeas · #10 10-21-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Azzan

Sadly, I never experienced such a miracle although I strived mightly to do so. And you are correct, most Christians have no idea.

And I cannot ditch my same gender attraction.

Thank you. I have heard this before. In fact, I have been told I was demon possessed. Let me tell that was a real moral booster. Not.

Please, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you are ministering to a gay person, be very mindful of what you say and how you say it. You may be the last Christian they ever talk to.

I don't think there is a miraculous "healing" in the sense of someone being instantly delivered from feelings. Like everything else it's one day at a time, through the grace of God.

Maybe the biggest hindrance for people in this situation isn't that they never get "delivered", but that they feel guilty for even the temptation or the feelings. Then rather than brushing it off, like the rest of us do with our own personal "demons", they feel guilt and despair