Hate Of Reformed Theology

[Socialite]

Oh, I do not water it down at all! IT IS SIN! And it needs repentance that is utmost sincere and genuine. But by the same token, a person may think Paul is simply telling people that if they sin they should not be condemned, and I think that is watering his words down a little. I claim he meant we will not sin and will not therefore be condemned in the way he described it at the end of chapter 7 if we learn to walk in the Spirit and not sin.

Hmmm... funny, we are not condemned because we are in Christ. So now, even as you admit, and I admit we still sin and have sin, our eternity hangs in the balance of getting that right perfectly?

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Agree. But my point, that you responded to here, is that I have sin. I acknowledge that. Yet, I live in Christ. I am His. And, I'd like to think of myself as a little more mature of a believer too.
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It's not about you or me. Maturity, as I honestly see it, is greatest when we are so full of faith that we are seated with Christ above this that it affects our behaviour. That is KINGDOM Christianity. A man who controls his own spirit is greater than one who takes a city.

I believe it's much to do with you and me. That's where the rubber meets the road on these discussions.

You need to re-read what I said, for you totally missed it. I said IT IS NOT true that "Real Christians do not sin." I simply responded to your use of terms since you asked me if I thought REAL Christians do not sin. I said that is not the case.

Touche'

In all our conversation, not sure I've come closer to understanding your viewpoint any further, or discovering if, in fact, our viewpoints are different. What I do recognize is that you are sensitive to admitting that Christians still sin, wishing to honor what you feel Paul's words are, we are new creation, we are free from sin, and not wanting believers to get the wrong idea. I approach Paul's words with a similar attitude, but do not worry about the word getting out that Christians will still sin -- though they show fruits of victory over sin in their life (ultimately it's Jesus who has victory, and his record, not ours, that justifies us).

I always appreciate your patience in articulating and your honesty when we do.