We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Aquila you teach false doctrine.

Jesus was accused of the same thing. Besides, I didn’t get the memo stating that you were authorized to be the arbitrator of truth. Man is totally depraved and is incapable of achieving holiness in the human self. Righteousness is imparted by God’s Spirit alone. One cannot work their way to Heaven, for if righteousness could come by obedience to a law, Christ died in vain. I see elements of Pelagianism (a false doctrine) in many of the posts you’ve written.

ABIDING is by DOING! JEsus said so! You are not righteous while still being unrighteous. You are not his friend while in sin. HE will compel you to turn away but you are at enmity. We are righteous because he leads us TO DO righteousness and we follow by faith and he judges us right before him. In doing so he cleanses us from sin. As he walked we are to walk.

No… we are righteous because He is righteous. The moment you are born again, you are declared righteous in God’s sight. You’re not on probation until you get it right, nor are you expected to walk away and never sin again, not even knowing the Holy Scriptures. The Christian must come to realize, appropriate, own, and live the fact that he or she has a new nature, is a new creature, and has the abiding Christ within. They need to realize that the moment they received the Holy Ghost, their spirit was regenerated. Yes, the soul (the mind) has to be renewed through study of the Scriptures, prayer, and meditation. This will bring the mind into alignment with the new nature within. And yes, the body has its sinful tendencies and lusts. As one grows in grace the very POWER of Jesus flows as we put on the mind of Christ, bringing discipline. And through this we are brought into victory over the desires of the flesh.

It’s a life long process.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness25 is righteous, just as Jesus26 is righteous. cf John 15:4-15

The underlined I agree with but you view of imparting of justification is OSASish.

The born again Christian has a new nature, is a new creature. They WILL desire and practice righteousness. So we agree. However, we might disagree with the underlying causes and effects of the new nature we have received.

My son is four years old. While playing in the yard he stepped in dog poo. He hopped into the house on one foot crying and wanting me to clean his foot off. Why? Because he is human, he has a human nature. Now, if he were a pig or a dog, he might have rolled around in it without any issues. The Christian is born again. A new nature has been given. A new nature now abides in the believer. The Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, is abiding in the believer. The believer has now become ONE with Christ Jesus. When a born again believer sins, they will feel convicted of said sin. Why? Why don’t they just feel free to “live it up”? Because of the new nature. They realize that their actions are not congruent with the abiding nature within. They will desire to be clean. In prayer they will fall before the Heavenly Father pleading for Him to cleanse them. Sin will therefore not be a “practice” or continued behavior for the born again Christian. It is IMPOSSIBLE. They are new creatures.

You are a male by nature. You might choose to wear women’s clothing, wear makeup, and even act like a woman. But you are NOT a woman. Why? Because you don’t have a female human nature. Now, if you’re born again, and the Spirit of Christ abides in you, guess what…you’ll want to give those dresses to a lady, stop wearing the makeup, and begin acting like the man you are. Why? Because Christ Himself is living through you. The disciplines don’t make you righteous. I know men who have the Christian disciplines down, and put us all to shame. But…they don’t have that abiding relationship with Jesus. They are pure religionists. They think that their works make them righteousness. Their righteousness is self generated, a “self righteousness”. However, Luke, you have the Spirit of Jesus abiding in you. You are a partaker in the very nature of Jesus Christ. You have new nature. By virtue of your being a new creature…you LOVE righteousness and feel compelled, yes, even rejoice, in doing righteousness. But don’t take the credit. It’s not you…it’s Christ in you. Jesus is your everything. Jesus is the very air you breathe.

Many believers think that their actions determine if they love Jesus or not. And yes, actions are a gauge, but they are not the final determining factor. They are merely an indicator.

Let me ask you a question. It will fully reveal if you’re looking at this legalistically, or biblically. How does a saint of God who is struggling with Christian disciplines and sin increase their love for Jesus, thereby bringing a life that is congruent with the new nature imparted to them? I’d like to know your answer. I’ll share my thoughts afterwards. We both might be able to take away something from the other’s answer to this question.

God bless and keep you.

P.S.
When it comes to being justified by faith (Romans 5:1-10), we simply accept it. It’s just as true as John 3:16, Acts 2:38.

With regards to Jesus being your propitiation....Jesus isn’t partly your propitiation. Jesus is either your entire propitiation or He isn’t your propitiation at all.