Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

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Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Here are two questions. You can search for the others on this thread. I'm leaving in a few and will return later.

Please solely answer the two questions only. Thank you.


Psalms 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners; even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.

Please describe David's comment of "people are born sinners."


David states in Psalms 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

What did David mean by "I was sinful at birth?'

jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Hmm a sanctified baby..

luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb

o look this one wasnt even baptized or repented of his sins yet> He has the HOLY GHOST. so if he was like david how could he ever have The Spirit of the Lord, He would be a unclean temple....

Now lets look at the context
Psalms 51
This entire psalms comes as a lament because Nathaniel the prophet of God has just told david you have commited adultry

He is drowning in sorrows, so he is dealing with his wickedness, and he states surely i was sinful from my time of birth.

By the Law david should have been stoned, and he knew it, but God granted Him forgivness. and he stated surely this sinfulness started at Birth.

This is agreement with what we have all stated, that every Baby will eventually act on their sinful nature. doesnt mean a baby commits sin. (again how can it)
It has no understanding of what sins even are. But the nature to be sinful is there.

psalms 58:3
this is a song
look at it closely. the pslamist stated the wicked from birth go astray.
well who does he consider the wicked? cause he puts a difference between the rightous and the wicked in the entire psalm

Look at this verse
pslams 58
10 The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.
11 Then people will say,
“Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth.”

He is speaking of His enemies, he is talking either about wicked men out to get Him or he is talking about other nations around israel.

Why didnt he state anything about the rightous people being wicked from birth to? wouldnt there be no different according to you sense, all babies are wicked.

No this psalm is about the enemies of rightousness, and how they are taught from child birth up to be wicked filled with lies and deciet.

He even makes a commit how he wished they would have been like a still born.
(Note) he didnt call the still born wicked.