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Old 09-25-2011, 08:35 AM
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honestly Timmy, I tell myself the same thing. I have Grandparents who died staunch Catholics.

I trust them to God's hands. I try to understand the bible to the best of my ability, knowing that I could be mistaken about what I believe and was taught.

At times I feel angry towards God, he could have created a world and a salvation that resulted in everyone making it to heaven.

I feel like God screwed up.

But what is the point of making accusations against God when he could just crush me like a worm?

It's his world, his plan, all I can do is go along with the program and make the best of it.

There are times of great joy, and victory and peace. For me there are more times of darkness, sorrow, depression, and questions.

Sometimes I feel like Saul, he missed God and he would call David to come and play and sing to him to drive the doubt, depression and sadness away.

When I enter the house of the Lord, the choir and preaching are the ministry of David to my soul.
Thank you for your honesty. I had many of those struggles, too. I won't say that the answers I found are the same ones you or anyone else should find. You should do what works for you. That's what I'm doing, but my path may not be for everyone. IMO, more Christians should accept that their path may not be for everyone!

I was mostly joshing when I asked that "why not" question. It is actually the very best policy to leave it up to God. But when the dogma seems so certain about something, I think it's odd not to let it reach any final conclusions! If one doesn't take it all the way, then maybe, just maybe, one doesn't quite 100% believe the dogma. Just my two cents.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:09 AM
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honestly Timmy, I tell myself the same thing. I have Grandparents who died staunch Catholics.

I trust them to God's hands. I try to understand the bible to the best of my ability, knowing that I could be mistaken about what I believe and was taught.

At times I feel angry towards God, he could have created a world and a salvation that resulted in everyone making it to heaven.

I feel like God screwed up.

But what is the point of making accusations against God when he could just crush me like a worm?

It's his world, his plan, all I can do is go along with the program and make the best of it.

There are times of great joy, and victory and peace. For me there are more times of darkness, sorrow, depression, and questions.

Sometimes I feel like Saul, he missed God and he would call David to come and play and sing to him to drive the doubt, depression and sadness away.

When I enter the house of the Lord, the choir and preaching are the ministry of David to my soul.
Oh, but He did!! God created the world and all that is in it, He is responsible for it all. And He IS love, the love of God has a way.

"If you fathers, being evil, (in comparison to God) know how to give good things to your children, HOW MUCH MORE WILL YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE......"
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Is Osama bin Laden burning in hell?
NO, all that was evil in him has been burned up by HIS fiery presence.
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Oh, but He did!! God created the world and all that is in it, He is responsible for it all. And He IS love, the love of God has a way.

"If you fathers, being evil, (in comparison to God) know how to give good things to your children, HOW MUCH MORE WILL YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE......"
.....the Holy Spirit to them that ask him, yeah. Funny, your heavenly father doesn't always give food to them that ask for food, or healing, or escape from abuse, or peace and a sound mind.
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NO, all that was evil in him has been burned up by HIS fiery presence.
I wasn't asking you!

(Oh wow. Deja vu! )
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Why not? A lot of people (preachers and others) talk about what will happen if you don't get saved. Now, suddenly, when someone dies unsaved, it's "Oh, well, we don't really know what happened to her. That's up to God."?

(She wasn't really unsaved, by the way. She was an Assembly of God Trinitarian believer. But we could talk about other loved ones who die without any kind of salvation.)
Got a point. if we say they going to hell now why change after they die.
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Got a point. if we say they going to hell now why change after they die.
Thank you! Bout time somebody saw my point!
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honestly Timmy, I tell myself the same thing. I have Grandparents who died staunch Catholics.

I trust them to God's hands. I try to understand the bible to the best of my ability, knowing that I could be mistaken about what I believe and was taught.

At times I feel angry towards God, he could have created a world and a salvation that resulted in everyone making it to heaven.

I feel like God screwed up.

But what is the point of making accusations against God when he could just crush me like a worm?

It's his world, his plan, all I can do is go along with the program and make the best of it.

There are times of great joy, and victory and peace. For me there are more times of darkness, sorrow, depression, and questions.

Sometimes I feel like Saul, he missed God and he would call David to come and play and sing to him to drive the doubt, depression and sadness away.

When I enter the house of the Lord, the choir and preaching are the ministry of David to my soul.
Your honesty and transparency is much needed to today.
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Old 09-25-2011, 10:31 AM
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Thank you! Bout time somebody saw my point!
One time i was speaking to brother about this, I think it was after my mom died, but I brought your same point about how we preach it one is hell bound if they don't turn from sin to God, why does it change when they die? Brother begun to cry due to past death of his mother being in hell. Sad indeed.
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I believe all who obey not Acts 2:38 are lost for eternity that is what I preach. But I am NOT the Judge and He has the right to do anything He desires at the judgment? Do I think He will pardon them who have rejected His pardon? I seriously doubt it but He is the final court of appeals and the Govenor who has the priviledge to do as he see fit.
So, do you believe someone who obeyed Acts 2:38, but then divorced, are they still saved?

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