Of those two options (there are others!), the second one is more reasonable, sure. But, if God had his hand on the process, one must wonder why he failed to produce, through the process, one universally accepted canon.
If God disallowed there to be more than one canon, while ensuring the most popular would be His will, then God would have to abide by the same principle and disallow sin from so much as existing! That idea opens a can of worms that becomes nonsensical. He requires faith, whether we like it or not. What faith would there be for us if He disallowed any other canon at the hands of man?
I do not pretend to be the sole arbiter of logic and faith, but I try my best to make sense in a manner using faith.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
If God disallowed there to be more than one canon, while ensuring the most popular would be His will, then God would have to abide by the same principle and disallow sin from so much as existing! That idea opens a can of worms that becomes nonsensical. He requires faith, whether we like it or not. What faith would there be for us if He disallowed any other canon at the hands of man?
Oh, that would be terrible! Clarity, from God? Yikes!
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I do not pretend to be the sole arbiter of logic and faith, but I try my best to make sense in a manner using faith.
And you have chosen what to have faith in, just as Muslims, e.g., have.
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Oh, that would be terrible! Clarity, from God? Yikes!
You know there is a God. Why do you think he allowed things as they are, or do you somehow think it is absolutely clear?
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And you have chosen what to have faith in, just as Muslims, e.g., have.
Yes I have, in all honesty and sincerity and have seen results as a result!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
You know there is a God. Why do you think he allowed things as they are, or do you somehow think it is absolutely clear?
Actually, I am agnostic with deist leanings. He hasn't "allowed" anything, or rather has allowed everything. It makes more sense to me than to think he heals some and not others, and leaves us wondering why. For example.
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Yes I have, in all honesty and sincerity and have seen results as a result!
Your faith is not the only one with results.
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Actually, I am agnostic with deist leanings. He hasn't "allowed" anything, or rather has allowed everything. It makes more sense to me than to think he heals some and not others, and leaves us wondering why. For example.
Your faith is not the only one with results.
My faith allows for and explains "results" in other faiths as well. read about Pharaoh's magicians and ...
Deuteronomy 13:1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I told you with examples to what degree I was talking about language changing in my first post. That you won't accept the examples I gave as illuminating to what degree I was saying language changes isn't anything to argue about. So instead of arguing with me about it you should accept that the examples I gave are examples of what I meant in my first post when I said language changes.
I guess Im trying to tell you the degree does not see that big a deal or challenge. I don't see how the examples sets a "degree'. You posted 2 words maybe a little more. That, to me, is hardly an issue compared to the many many words that exist in the english language
And since the point was to go towards the reliability of the bible my point remains about our ability to look back in history and see how words were used.
What exactly is your point? Is it that we should not base doctrines off the KJV or is it that we can't know for sure what the original greek means because language has changed so much?
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So what does all this mean? It means that we cannot take as fact any doctrine based only off a word in the bible that may have had different connotations in the day in which it was written.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Died of cancer in 2002. This was a few months after a preacher gave me a word from the Lord that he would be healed.
Timmy, as you know, you are not alone with this type of experience. The problem is, people just explain it away (someone lacked faith, is living in sin, a false prophet told you, the meaning wasn't interpreted correctly, etc.).
I have been in faith, healing services, where the person prayed for jumped all over the Church and testified how God "Touched" them with a healing, only to find later that the disease never left them.
After 33 years of watching this kind of stuff happen, I have completely changed the way I explain the attitude of Faith. Sorry you had to deal with such a dramatic situation, but I thank God you are coming forward in honesty concerning the "Faith Error" in Religion.
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