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Old 01-06-2012, 03:15 PM
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Re: What Must I Do To Be Saved?

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Jay, see the word highlighted in your statement - standards... exactly my point. You are trying to skirt the issue by saying this doesn't apply to you, but it does. If those things were their standards then, and there were differences of opinion back then, then we understand that Paul was trying to make something clear... do NOT judge your brother to be any less or more holy than yourself because of the "standard" he lives by.

Get my drift? It DOES apply to you and me today. The principle of what he was teaching still applies. You eat no meat, fine. I eat all meat, fine. You dress according to a certain set of standards, fine. I feel no compulsion to live by your standards, and live by the ones God gave me.. fine! Let's NOT judge one another.

That is my point! Our standards or convictions are for each of us individually, not corporately, and the more important thing at stake is - do you have love one for your brother who may not agree or do things as you do? Do you love your brother who wears a beard, or shorts or maybe even smokes.... do you love a sister who cuts her hair, and wears jewelry? Could you be eating no "meat" and thinking you are more holy than those who believe it is okay to partake of the "meat" with the principle of the verse being applied here.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

I think this scripture is one of the scriptures that speaks loudest against the clothing holiness standard movement in all the Bible - here is a new commandment given by Jesus to love one another, and BY THIS LOVE shall men know ye are my disciples, (notice he didn't say standards of separation!!!) His highest standard was love, not clothing!



Jay, could you please answer these next two questions for me. Thanks.

One: Can you give me a scripture that equates holiness, and SALVATION with clothing?

Two: Who is the world?
No, but there is scripture regarding modest dress and gender identity. Therefore such issues should indeed be deemed important scripturally. The Holy Spirit directs us and guides us two main ways individually and collectively. Pastors are directed by the Holy Spirit to teach and guide by example their members. Standards can therefore be set by the pastors as long as there is biblical reasoning behind them, and as long as those standards don't replace the plan of salvation. Those under that pastor are to be obedient out of love and out of a desire to serve God.

Anyway... dressing "holy" really has nothing to do with holiness.

HOWEVER!!!!! How you dress is a representation of a.) your God, b.) your church, c.) yourself. And yes it does have an impact on the Kingdom of God.
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