Planned Parenthood Plans 40 Days of Prayer (L)

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Maybe I said agreed too quickly... So here goes. First of all let's get some terminology in place. An abortion is loss of pregnancy. It is the medical term for miscarriage. It happens as an act of God and has nothing to do with human intervention.

My answers are for discussion sake only, because you bring out many of the things we hear from pro choice advocates. I will be trying to very carefully frame my words here because the advocacy for or against abortion is such a sensitive issue. Working in the medical field, we tend to see many terrible situations that may frame how we think about the abortion issue. Miscarriages are termed "spontaneous abortions" and yes, this is an act of God.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Now for some facts. When one says that death rates for women are higher for elective TOP vs childbirth the stats are skewed and here is how.Often ALL causes of death in women who die up to one year after TOP are counted not just complication of the procedure, so STIs, suicide, homicide, accident, etc.

I know a woman who has had nightmares for years after her abortion. She has dreamt about her little girl calling for her...mommy...where are you? It is sad that she had the abortion on her doctor's advice that there was a "possibility" the baby "might" become deformed because she was exposed to x-rays and rubella. I don't think he said that the baby could also have been born whole and healthy either. But that came from an OB/GYN who had pickle jars of aborted babies in formaldehyde in various stages of fetal development back in the 70s. I understand he has since repented and became a Christian.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I work for nine gynecologists. You would be very surprised at who has terminations and who takes heir daughters for terminations. I will just say this; when people are part of communities where there is a lot of shame about unwed pregnancy there is a lot of extra pressure to find a way to make the 'problem' go away without any evidence.

This is so sad. The real shame is in the "wagging tongues" of people, including Christians. I would have to say that I fear God and His judgment more than I fear the wagging tongues of people. One does not have to be an unwed mother to have a community scorn and wag tongues about you. All one has to do is to disagree with a popular citizen about any particular issue and that can bring the whole community down on top of your head. But when the same thing happens to them or their family, it's all forgive and forget. I try to remember to always place God in the middle of making such decisions as this. What does God think of me if I do this or that? Does quietly taking the life of a viable baby in the womb to save face and everything they have in their position in the community a good thing in the eyes of God? It's more about what God thinks than what a fickle society thinks. Five years from now, in this day and age, it won't matter anymore.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

One very sad situation that I was made aware of was a family in the church whose 11 year old daughter was pregnant by her paternal uncle. He had stayed with his brother for his first semester in college and had molested his niece several times during his stay. I know his parents, he was raised in a good Christian home and has always seemed a decent kid, why he did something so horrible I do not know. Maybe the girl was even somewhat culpable... Although I do not believe an 11 year old can consent maybe this 19 year old boy did not share my belief.

This very incident happened to a member of my family, but without the pregnancy. She was 10 and the perpetrator was 28. Without going into detail let me just say that perpetrators have very ingenious ways to make a girl that young be a willing participant. This went on for 7 years until her mother died. She lived with him for another 5 years after that. She admitted to me that they were sneaky so her mother would not suspect. Her father was never a father to her so he could never have intervened on her behalf.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

This family elected TOP to avoid ruining everything in their lives that mattered to them. How the Lord will heal them, only He knows. Time seems to be healing that family but would it be so if they had been publically shamed?

Like I said in an earlier answer. The real shame would be in the wagging tongues of the Christians. They have the power to be of a real Christian brother/sister help in that family's situation. May God have mercy on us ...Christians ... if we make life more difficult for people who find themselves in very difficult situations by our harmful, wagging tongues. Who has the greater sin I think we should ask ourselves? The 11 year old victim who really isn't old enough to consider the consequences of what took place either by trickery or force or supposedly mature Christian people who want to show their spiritual superiority by condemning a child over losing her innocence by a young man who obviously became perverted in some way? Bad things happen to good families and we never know when we will find ourselves in some shameful incident that we had no knowledge or control of. It would be better if people consider themselves or their own families if they were to find themselves in the very same situation.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Everything is not always cut and dried. Women keep children who lead tortured lives so that they can collect a welfare check and do dope. These kids grow up to be killers who sometimes take many lives. Are their situations where it is better is someone is never born? Would it have been better if Hitler were never born?

These are valid questions but who are we to play God in who lives and who dies simply because some of these kids "might" grow up to be killers and take innocent lives. How are we to know in advance which ones would do this? Who can make that judgment? How could Hitler's mother ever have determined that her little baby could have turned into a heinous monster?

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And then there is my issue of not trying to conform Sinners to the moral standards of those who have the Spirit of God living in them. Should they really be just like us?

Lots to think about....

I share this issue with you. Morality must come from within. There has to be an innermost measurement of what is right and wrong and what is pleasing to God and not pleasing to God. In the very best of what each of us think we have to offer, we fail God. This is why we must ask God for mercy in our lives and for others who do not know or want to know God. Do I think what propaganda Planned Parenthood puts out is disgusting? Yes. Do I think that the women who actually buy into it is disgusting? Yes. But I guess I must remember that we live the way we are taught and that our job as Christians is to entreat others to come to Christ and let the Holy Spirit lead and guide them to morality. May God have mercy on our souls should we become spiritual stumblingblocks to someone else.