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Originally Posted by Titus2woman
Just the idea that I might sound anything like a 'pro-choice' advocate horrifies me. I will be doing some serious praying on this issue.
I do so want to restate and remake and reiterate the point that as Christians we need to be sure that we understand that young people make mistakes and support rather than shame those girls/women who do choose the hard road of keeping and/or raising a child.
One more thing I would really hope that we take away from this conversation is that behind every pregnancy there is a boy/man responsible for it. If we want to stop abortion I think the single thing that we all can do it to raise our sons well. I am appalled at how many boys still believe that there are girls you 'use' and girls you marry and they are not the same girls. Teaching our boys the value of their own purity would make the biggest dent in so many social problems.
I always like to ask men who discuss women in a negative way... "So, you were a virgin when you married then?" Amazingly I've not had one say "Yes, yes I was"... maybe some day.
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No, I never thought that you were in the 'pro-choice' circles. It's that so much propaganda has been brainwashing people since Margaret Sanger:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
became a trailblazer and established PP, it is easy for all people to get confused about where we (as in ourselves) personally stand on this issue. We live in such complex times and those in the medical business have been subjected to all sorts of views and have seen all sorts of incidents that most people have not seen. The establishment wants to force people "to do their job" which is whatever the law of the land decides and without facing our own line in the sand about what we will do for a paycheck. The establishment is getting to where it does not care about personal lines in the sand. I've been told by some people, when discussing this issue, that if I was not willing to participate in an elective abortion procedure since it will be included in healthcare, then I should get out of the healthcare field.
These folks seem to forget that originally healthcare had the motto to first do no harm.
My point is...we live in a time where information is so readily available and it is being used for propaganda as well as for truth. It's hard for people to believe what is truth anymore when you got several different explanations and information for one issue such as abortion.
Abortion has become a political football every presidential election and nothing changes when they get into office.
It is sad that humankind has devolved into this sort of way. In the 18th and 19th centuries, black people were not considered to be human. That made it ok in some people's minds to have slavery or even kill their slaves. Of course we know that this is/was not ok.
This is what PP tried to do when abortion first came out. Advocates would say... it is a fetus, not a baby. A fetus is not living...just a mass of tissue. Then one brave physician proved them wrong and they moved onto more elaborate brainwashing such as "reproductive health", finally saying that women should have the right to choose.
I say women do have the right to choose. They can make wise choices not to get pregnant, use effective birth control or not to have sex before they are ready to marry and bring a child into this world.
The rape and other issues are mere deflections from the fact that over 50,000,000 abortions were performed since it's inception and we know that these numbers were not a result of 50,000,000 rapes or real medical issues.
There are some cases that are medical cases as in the ones you stated, but that should be between doctor and patient and not considered to be a routine elective termination of pregnancy. They were not considered to be abortions back then, but medical procedures to save the life of the mother.
And yes, T2W, you are
exactly right when you say that people should raise their sons to respect women. Far too often girls are told that really very old line..."I love you", then they are left alone facing the music when they discover that they are pregnant. I am appalled at the men who want to make their mistake go away too by paying for the abortions. Those types still walk away and leave the woman with her conscious about what she's done.
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