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Old 05-29-2012, 08:13 AM
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Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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some days i feel like this, just a little spec amongst big walls
When ones eyes are opened, they see that even
the speck does not really exist; it is a manifestation, period.
A physicist knows this, that the speck is just an idea.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:14 AM
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I'm dragging this over here so that you may get some other reflections,
as I'll be away until tonight. Lots should be easy to Bible search, and there
is not a secret there. I just explained my experience of Casting Lots,
which entails no miracles, and one throw per Q.
is there such a thing as coincidence or is it the providence of God?

Joseph was a prime example of such things, as he was fixing to be killed along came a trader whom they sold to. etc etc. but it highlighted tyhe providence of God to keep Joseph safe and build him up to be the second ruler of egypt in a time where countries was dying of starvation. So why would casting lots be any different. I believe they where apealing to the Divine providence of God in such cases where lots was casted. (talking about the disciples of Christ)
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:20 AM
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Re: The Four "Hidden" Dynasties

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Show me the rules. In the Bible.
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Show me the rules. In the Bible.
Just Bible search "casting lots," and be advised that for all I know,
you may never get to know Discernment this way, I don't know.
You will know God's will in a matter if you don't look for miracles.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:21 AM
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is there such a thing as coincidence or is it the providence of God?

Joseph was a prime example of such things, as he was fixing to be killed along came a trader whom they sold to. etc etc. but it highlighted tyhe providence of God to keep Joseph safe and build him up to be the second ruler of egypt in a time where countries was dying of starvation. So why would casting lots be any different. I believe they where apealing to the Divine providence of God in such cases where lots was casted. (talking about the disciples of Christ)
Amen.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:24 AM
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When ones eyes are opened, they see that even
the speck does not really exist; it is a manifestation, period.
A physicist knows this, that the speck is just an idea.
if you live in a matrix world then yes there is no spoon, but for us. the spoon exists cause we live in the real world, and i use it to eat. Thus the spec exists.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:33 AM
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Just Bible search "casting lots," and be advised that for all I know,
you may never get to know Discernment this way, I don't know.
You will know God's will in a matter if you don't look for miracles.
I have done that before. There are no instructions on how to cast lots to find God's will. The examples don't say how many "casts" were done.

You said I don't get to make the rules. What are the rules? Tell me. And tell me where the rules came from.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:35 AM
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Politics, the Economy, Education, and Religion
are presented as the 4 hidden dynasties
controlled by satan. What do you think?
Satan doesn't control anything.

Paul seemed to think that God controls politics. Romans 13. I don't agree with Paul, either.
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Satan doesn't control anything.

Paul seemed to think that God controls politics. Romans 13. I don't agree with Paul, either.
it depends on the context of the day and the situation he was addressing.
Peter said it was better to listen to God and not man, Peter went against his governmental authority.

so im just inclide to view it from a hebrew perspective. The example i have come from babylon. God raised them up to bring judgment to israel. near the end of the seige Jeremiah was telling people to surrendor themselves and their life would be spared.

like i said this was a isolated event, and this could also be a isolated event that we do not completly understand because of the day and age and the purpose it was written.

No one in Pauls day would have listened to Nero or dominition who claimed to be God in the flesh and wanted worship. a deeper study is needed.
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it depends on the context of the day and the situation he was addressing.
Peter said it was better to listen to God and not man, Peter went against his governmental authority.

so im just inclide to view it from a hebrew perspective. The example i have come from babylon. God raised them up to bring judgment to israel. near the end of the seige Jeremiah was telling people to surrendor themselves and their life would be spared.

like i said this was a isolated event, and this could also be a isolated event that we do not completly understand because of the day and age and the purpose it was written.

No one in Pauls day would have listened to Nero or dominition who claimed to be God in the flesh and wanted worship. a deeper study is needed.
Did he write Rom 13 TIC? Was he being facetious?
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:54 AM
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Did he write Rom 13 TIC? Was he being facetious?
it could be several things. it could be a faulty translation, it could be from another as there is other writers letter mixed in with pauls epistles. or it could be taken out of context.

it could be a ruler in the church, or it could be talking about the commandments which is mentioned. i dont think he was joking. i would have to look at it more.
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