God-given rights

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Timmy

The Assemblies of God says that healing is a privilege of the believer. Is that true?

Yes.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes.

Must be nice.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Must be nice.

The AG doctrine:

Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement, and is the privilege of all believers.

Agree? They cite:

Isaiah 53:4,5
Romans 8:23
Titus 2:13
1 Corinthians 15:51,52

[bbyrd009]

Yes, the prayer of the righteous,
prayed in faith, brings healing
when aligned with God's will, T.
You have confident expectation of this.

But you must have all of these,
and they do not come simply by
"getting saved."

While many gifts are bestowed upon a new believer,
perfect faith is not one of them, usually.
That comes with hearing, and takes time.

One may pray for healing with much faith,
but if it does not align with God's will,
this prayer is obviously of no avail.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yes, the prayer of the righteous,
prayed in faith, brings healing
when aligned with God's will, T.
You have confident expectation of this.

But you must have all of these,
and they do not come simply by
"getting saved."

While many gifts are bestowed upon a new believer,
perfect faith is not one of them, usually.
That comes with hearing, and takes time.

One may pray for healing with much faith,
but if it does not align with God's will,
this prayer is obviously of no avail.

"Align with God's will" means it's something God already wants to do, right?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Timmy

"Align with God's will" means it's something God already wants to do, right?

Hmm, I might put it differently, I think it is more like "...is required to do, to be God," but for the sake of argument, yes.
But you don't get to interpret one verse
that illuminates God's will, and extrapolate it
incorrectly with this principle; fair warning.
And I get to use Prax

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Hmm, I might put it differently, I think it is more like "...is required to do, to be God,"...

Huh? What is God required to do, to be God? What in the world are you talking about?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Huh? What is God required to do, to be God? What in the world are you talking about?

Oh, they're pretty much all listed? God cannot lie, cannot abide sin, cannot answer the unrighteous prayer, etc. These are not negotiable. It is easy to imagine that "God's will" means that God could make exceptions if He felt like it, when nothing could be further from the truth.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Oh, they're pretty much all listed? God cannot lie, cannot abide sin, cannot answer the unrighteous prayer, etc. These are not negotiable. It is easy to imagine that "God's will" means that God could make exceptions if He felt like it, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I dunno, it seems like grace, which you love to talk about, is "abiding sin". And how do you figure God cannot answer the unrighteous prayer? And how does that, if it's true, not imply that God cannot answer anyone's prayer, considering that there are none righteous? But, have to admit, that could explain a lot.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Timmy

1) I dunno, it seems like grace, which you love to talk about, is "abiding sin".2) And how do you figure God cannot answer the unrighteous prayer? And how does that, if it's true, not imply that God cannot answer anyone's prayer, considering that there are none righteous? But, have to admit, that could explain a lot.

A believer has recourse to rebound 1 John 1:9...more later, gotta run. This is what Christ is all about?