I see there is some talk about a "mole" or two. The two people that are considered "moles", both of them had their own agendas. The first 'mole', the one that spent time in federal prison, he seems to be a "true mole" in that he was relaying information back and forth. You will note that he has not even left the church nor was he given a certified letter to leave the church. You must ask yourself a question...how could a person be so close to the people that have left yet he chose to stay when they chose to leave? And the "daughter" did not force him to leave??
As for the second "mole", he has been in this for himself the whole time. He does not work for the daughter and does not work for the people or their best interest. He has had his own personal motivation the whole time. For example, after the election where the "boyfriend" was voted down, he (the mole) was supposed to call for a vote against the "daughter" immediately but he chose not to do this because if he did and she were voted out the "bishop from Michigan" would have immediately come in and taken control. He did not want the bishop to come in because he wanted to be the pastor of the people. Next example, when the people wanted to retain an attorney he rose up against that, again because he has his own motivations. This mole knew if they got an attorney and won he might not remain in power. He wants to pastor badly, at any cost. Mark my word, it won't be two long before he has his brother in there prophesying over people. (Side note: his brother has been divorced and has never been faithful to any church, he is a prolific church-hopper. He is not qualified to prophesy over anybody. No respectable church would have him in their pulpit.)
If the "people that left the church" knew the real circumstances and were aware of these examples, they would not follow this man.
I was given a letter saying I could not step foot on the property, but I do every Sunday. Some people, I am one are still waiting on a miracle. We are waiting for God to move on this problem. You should be ashamed to talk about a good man like you have. He is waiting on God not you or I to tell him what he should do. He advised the ones that left , that they were making a mistake but they were convinced otherwise. As for *** he should be ashamed of himself. He has done as much as Bro. ** to cause problems at the church. He is causing a 3 way split now. As for a vote being called about ** you are wrong we don't have to vote about her.
Last edited by MissBrattified; 08-24-2012 at 01:04 PM.
Amazing a thread like this gets 25,000+ views in a few weeks...
Other threads with substance and that are uplifting/inspirational get very few...
And we wonder why things happen in churches like this? I read about 3 pages worth and I decided I need to go take a shower...
I wish I hadn't read any of it...
and yet you felt the need to respond? If you feel that strongly that something like this should not be discussed here, then wouldn't it make more sense for you to just step back and let it die a slow death? By responding you are keeping it alive.
And for the record, I have a feeling that there are some people who need to talk thru this. I can't even imagine the pain that those people are in right now. Maybe they won't get any answers here but at least they can get if off their chests.
Ok, I'm backing back out now. This is not my fight.
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Back to the original subject. I would like to say I have known the Johnson family all my life. Brother Johnson preached my graduation service, visited Brazil, supported us for many years. I am very sad good people are going through this problem but I can assure you that neither Brother Charles or Brother David can do anything other than what we can do...pray...and that is the most important thing at this point. I hate things like this are discussed on the web for the guilty have their minds made up and the innocent suffer...Bishop was a good man I know he may have failed in getting someone before he passed however he is not alive to defend himself...
The problem is not that *name removed by admin* didn't provide us with someone. The problem is he is not wanted as the Pastor by the majority of the Church.
Last edited by MissBrattified; 08-24-2012 at 01:05 PM.
I see that the first part of my post was not well liked by somebody. It must have been the part about prison. But tell me really, name one thing in my post that is factually incorrect. You can't. Its all true.
As for the second part, his ambition outweighs his shame.
I have seen it said that the Bishop "did not provide" someone to take over the church or that he provided the "boyfriend". Let's clear that up for everybody right now. The Bishop said mulitple times, before he was "mentally diminished", that the "boyfriend" was not annointed to pastor the church and could not handle the job. It was only after he was "mentally diminished" and "under the control of the daughter" that the "boyfriend" was nominated. You put enough pills in a man that has Alzheimer's, give him a script and rehearse it with him, he will say what you want.
As far as the Bishop not having someone in place before he became "mentally diminished", he attempted to put somebody in place several times, but he was always worked against and double teamed by the "daughter" and "boyfriend".
I see that the first part of my post was not well liked by somebody. It must have been the part about prison. But tell me really, name one thing in my post that is factually incorrect. You can't. Its all true.
As for the second part, his ambition outweighs his shame.
I have seen it said that the Bishop "did not provide" someone to take over the church or that he provided the "boyfriend". Let's clear that up for everybody right now. The Bishop said mulitple times, before he was "mentally diminished", that the "boyfriend" was not annointed to pastor the church and could not handle the job. It was only after he was "mentally diminished" and "under the control of the daughter" that the "boyfriend" was nominated. You put enough pills in a man that has Alzheimer's, give him a script and rehearse it with him, he will say what you want.
As far as the Bishop not having someone in place before he became "mentally diminished", he attempted to put somebody in place several times, but he was always worked against and double teamed by the "daughter" and "boyfriend".
Could you please give me proof of the evidence of what you say? Anyone can just say such as this happened but I would love to have some substantiated PROOF. I can tell by your words you are a mud slinger from way back. Sounds like you are saying ** doped her Father up. Shame on you for being a tale bearer if you didn't see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears don't let it be said that you spread it with your writings or your big mouth. Who were these people that *name removed by admin* attempted to put in place, I must have slept through that. Because, *name removed by admin* was not the kind to attempt to do things, He did them. Also, my name is Betty Meeks and I don't hide behind a made up name, can you say the same?
Last edited by MissBrattified; 08-24-2012 at 01:05 PM.
I Have been asked by members of HEART OF PRAISE EVERLASTING to set the record straight once and for all. First of all, the amazing group that left, has been through the fire, but has finally come out. They were hurt by the people they called friends, but not one of them has a bad word to say about any of them. They have left GR and have started a new family. They were not lead by any one person, it was a group decision, and one that was made after many sleepless nights spent in prayer and fasting. They want you all to know they have no hard feelings toward anyone, but at the same time, they no longer have a concern about anything pertaining to GR. Not the building, the pastor, or any properties that may be attached to GR. The man that has been under such scrutiny, the man they are bashing for "splitting the church" RH has never one time said or led anyone to believe he wanted to become pastor. His response and attitude this entire time has always been, whatever the people want and whatever the will of God is. They have had visiting preachers every Sunday and the power of God has been amazing. One prayed back through, one filled with the Holy Ghost, and praying and singing that is under the powerful anointing. They have a new location, a new name and God is blessing their integrity to worship together as a body. This has brought them to their knees, which has sweetened their relationship with their God and with their fellow worshipers. Thanks to everyone that has been praying for this group of people, they have made it through. They do NOT feel like the victims, they feel like they are in the perfect will of GOD!!!!!!!
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