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Old 08-13-2012, 11:20 PM
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Re: God-given rights

2) "The prayers of a righteous man avail much"
denies that...but I meant "unrepentant..." God
does not even hear unrepentant or
certain special case prayers.

Getting your prayers answered is easy,
once you learn what to pray for.
You will be praying for a lesson;
praying for pain

Those other prayers, the ones
nobody seems to be able to get to work?
By definition, it seems to me,
answering that prayer was not God's will,
and God has a better idea; this is why we pray,
"Thy will be done. On earth. Just like in Heaven."

Which happens to be the Kingdom we are to
operate from, which is not of this world;
and one doesn't have a "vote" in how the
Kingdom is operated. It is not a democracy,
which makes this concept more difficult
for those living in one.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:15 AM
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Re: God-given rights

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2) "The prayers of a righteous man avail much"
denies that...but I meant "unrepentant..." God
does not even hear unrepentant or
certain special case prayers.

Getting your prayers answered is easy,
once you learn what to pray for.
You will be praying for a lesson;
praying for pain

Those other prayers, the ones
nobody seems to be able to get to work?
By definition, it seems to me,
answering that prayer was not God's will,
and God has a better idea; this is why we pray,
"Thy will be done. On earth. Just like in Heaven."

Which happens to be the Kingdom we are to
operate from, which is not of this world;
and one doesn't have a "vote" in how the
Kingdom is operated. It is not a democracy,
which makes this concept more difficult
for those living in one.
This seems like a system that was set up to appear to work, when it doesn't actually have to do anything. Pray for rain, and it rains? God did it*. Pray for healing, and get no healing? Wasn't God's will. Pray that someone gets saved, and they get saved? Answered prayer*. Pray that someone gets saved, and they never get saved? Wasn't God's will.

Can't lose.

* Even if God didn't do it, but it would have happened anyway. You can't tell.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:18 AM
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2) "The prayers of a righteous man avail much"
denies that...
No, it doesn't deny anything. It could be taken as an explanation of why God seems (to some) never to actually do anything miraculous in response to anyone's prayers. (See previous post: when it looks like a prayer is answered, you can't really tell if it was, or if the nice thing would have happened anyway -- as it does often, even to unbelievers. The rain falls on the just and the unjust!)
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:31 AM
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Re: God-given rights

Sure, but where that is revealed, to me,
is when a prayer is answered for person A
and not person B, for example...also, I believe
the situation you describe exists to reveal those premises.

There is a Scriptural concept, the current model I'm studying
describes it as "Faith-rest," that I believe is hardly understood
by many Christians, and so they don't understand why the faith
that was sufficient to furnish proof of prayer answered as a new
Christian no longer seems to work as one "progresses."

I have a personal example of prayer answered "miraculously"
shortly after I was saved, and my polling of other Christians
by and large reflects similar instances. Now, I lay in bed some nights
pondering if God really exists or not--but I'm recognizing this
for what it is; a way to bring me to Spiritual Rapport, or maturity.
Not a comfortable way, granted; but I know that God exists,
have faith that all this rather uncomfortable stuff is what is best for me,
and so I am able to stay in the moment now, where I would have
sought (and achieved) some temporal escape before;
essentially running from God. And this is starting to pay dividends.

Since that doesn't really address your post, a little story:

A believer was out hiking one day, communing with nature,
and pondering his temporal difficulties, as we all tend to do.
In a somewhat prayerful state of mind, he was wondering why
he did not see more evidence of God in his daily life.
So absorbed was he in his thoughts that he was not
even aware that he had approached a high cliff obliquely,
and placing his right foot down on air,
proceeded to tumble over the edge.

Flailing for a hand-hold as he slid over the edge,
and into space, he uttered a prayer;
"Lord, help me!"

Just then, about ten feet below the edge of the cliff,
a scrub-oak snagged the man's clothing, preventing him
from a fall that would surely have killed him.

He looked up to heaven, and said
"Oh! Never mind!"
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:47 AM
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Re: God-given rights

I have a little book at home that has the Declartion of Independence at the Constitution in it. In the very back of the book at has famous quotes of our leaders. God is mentioned a lot.
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I have a little book at home that has the Declartion of Independence at the Constitution in it. In the very back of the book at has famous quotes of our leaders. God is mentioned a lot.
Are the Constitution and Declaration of Independence divinely inspired? Infallible?
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