Mandatory Flu Vaccine

[AreYouReady?]

As I was reading your story, I was thinking that if biochemical scientists genetically manipulate or weaponize the smallpox virus in any way, then I am not immune to any smallpox that is manipulated. Consider this article:

n 1992, a Soviet defector revealed to Western intelligence that he had overseen an extensive, illegal programme to develop smallpox into a highly effective biological weapon.

Britain and the United States were shocked by the revelations. Russia's intent to use biological weapons, they claimed, was morally abhorrent. But a closer look at the history of biological weapons shows that Britain and America both played seminal roles in turning lethal diseases into weapons of war. In fact, Britain was probably the first nation to come up with the idea of using smallpox to kill its adversaries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwa...eapon_01.shtml

This story reminded me of how the white man from Europe gave the Native Americans blankets laced with smallpox virus and how it wiped out many American Indians.

It could be possible that your father received a variant form of inoculation of smallpox? It was not widely known that viruses and bacteria were being manipulated back in the 70s.

I do know that I've been told by all medical personal (every hospital I ever worked at) that if I had any childhood illness I would not be required to take vaccinations for them because I had immunity for life. Since they supposedly eradicated smallpox in the seventies, (the year is questionable since many articles give different dates) I was not required to take smallpox vaccines. If I hadn't had measles, mumps and rubella I would have been required to take vaccines for this.

I noted your highlight about the immune for life and as I think now about this...I probably got my inoculation mixed up with actually having the disease and lifetime immunity. I remember reading a few years back where college aged kids were contracting measles, even though they were thoroughly vaccinated as babies. I am going to have to retract that statement for lifetime immunity being a given. Given this information, if there is an unmanipulated smallpox outbreak, I could very well contract smallpox.

I've worked around all sorts of deadly bacteria and illnesses and relied upon the Lord for protection. I've had people with resistant tuberculosis (highly contagious) cough in my face. I've drawn blood on people with AIDS, hepatitis, STDs. I've worked around children with measles, mumps, rubella, RSV viruses, gas gangrene (flesh eating bacteria..and probably feared this more than anything else)...you name it and I've been around it. I've even treated influenza patients without taking the flu vaccine. Sometimes I would contract the flu, but I'd say 75% of the time I seemed to have a natural immunity working at the hospital everyday as most of the time I did not get the flu. The good Lord protected me through it all.

So if there are any outbreaks of anything, no sense in worrying about it. I worry more about being forced into vaccines and pharmaceuticals than the actual disease.

Thanks for sharing your father's memoirs. It has given me a little nudge to think more thoroughly about this. My main point in that posting is more about the difference between inoculations (scratch the skin and insert weakened virus) and vaccinations (insert needle into the muscle and inject substances).

[ILG]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

As I was reading your story, I was thinking that if biochemical scientists genetically manipulate or weaponize the smallpox virus in any way, then I am not immune to any smallpox that is manipulated. Consider this article:

My thoughts exactly, AYR! Great minds think alike.

[Falla39]

My late parents had eleven children. I am the eldest daughter, and have one older brother. The youngest of we siblings will turn 55 yrs of age in about 2 weeks. The eldest will turn 75 yrs the latter part of July 2012. Basically there is a 20 yr span from eldest down to the youngest.

All eleven of us graduated from the same local high school, as well as some of the older grandchildren. Our six children all graduated from this same high school. Each year before school began a new school year, the local newspaper would run an article saying you couldn't start to school unless you had all your immunizations up todate. We siblings NEVER took the immunizations, except one little brother. Back then you would stay in your classroom until they called for our class. Then row by row, and one by one you would go to the office and the school nurse would give you your "shots". When it came time for his row to go to the office, he told his teacher "I'm not supposed to get a shot". She said, Yes, you are".So little brother (5th grade) was intimidated so he went.

Dad or Mom would write a note saying we believed in divine healing and did not want we children to have the immunizations. Later Dad changed it to say, While it was not against our religion per se, it was a personal liberty they chose to exercise. It was not until I graduated from high school that I had a smallpox shot. Sears required this. Our parents "Trained us up in the way we should go as children, but they realized when we became an adult we would have to make our own choices!

Out of the eleven of us, there are ten siblings alive today. Except for the little brother who the teacher sent to the office, we went 12 grades of school without being forced to take "shots". Yes, we survived measles, mumps and even whooping cough. GOD WILL give us wisdom and knowledge and understanding if we trust Him. We lost a younger brother in Sept. 2007, due to his aorta rupturing. He was under the care of a physican for hypertension.

Proverbs 3:5,6 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths". I think GOD for the wisdom, knowledge and understanding to those who fear His Name. Many times GOD uses "men" to assist Him. God has always used men in His Plan. He looked for a MAN under the Old Covenant, but could not find one. Of course it was in His Plan from the beginning to "prepare a body" for for a Sinless Sacrifice for the sins of mankind. That body would be called the only begotten Son of GOD, full of grace and Truth. What GOD (Father,Spirit) could not do as the Father (Deity, Spirit,God) He did as the Son. GOD could not die. But in JESUS dwelt all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily. And we are COMPLETE IN HIM. ALL Power in Heaven and Earth was given unto JESUS!

Without faith it is impossible to please HIM. For he that cometh to GOD MUST believe that HE is, and that HE IS a Rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

If we never use/exercise the measure of faith GOD gives every man, there may not be any in our account, when we need it, Abraham believed GOD and it was put on his record/or accounted unto him for Righteousness.

Falla39

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Falla39

My late parents had eleven children. I am the eldest daughter, and have one older brother. The youngest of we siblings will turn 55 yrs of age in about 2 weeks. The eldest will turn 75 yrs the latter part of July 2012. Basically there is a 20 yr span from eldest down to the youngest.

All eleven of us graduated from the same local high school, as well as some of the older grandchildren. Our six children all graduated from this same high school. Each year before school began a new school year, the local newspaper would run an article saying you couldn't start to school unless you had all your immunizations up todate. We siblings NEVER took the immunizations, except one little brother. Back then you would stay in your classroom until they called for our class. Then row by row, and one by one you would go to the office and the school nurse would give you your "shots". When it came time for his row to go to the office, he told his teacher "I'm not supposed to get a shot". She said, Yes, you are".So little brother (5th grade) was intimidated so he went.

Dad or Mom would write a note saying we believed in divine healing and did not want we children to have the immunizations. Later Dad changed it to say, While it was not against our religion per se, it was a personal liberty they chose to exercise. It was not until I graduated from high school that I had a smallpox shot. Sears required this. Our parents "Trained us up in the way we should go as children, but they realized when we became an adult we would have to make our own choices!

Out of the eleven of us, there are ten siblings alive today. Except for the little brother who the teacher sent to the office, we went 12 grades of school without being forced to take "shots". Yes, we survived measles, mumps and even whooping cough. GOD WILL give us wisdom and knowledge and understanding if we trust Him. We lost a younger brother in Sept. 2007, due to his aorta rupturing. He was under the care of a physican for hypertension.

Proverbs 3:5,6 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths". I think GOD for the wisdom, knowledge and understanding to those who fear His Name. Many times GOD uses "men" to assist Him. God has always used men in His Plan. He looked for a MAN under the Old Covenant, but could not find one. Of course it was in His Plan from the beginning to "prepare a body" for for a Sinless Sacrifice for the sins of mankind. That body would be called the only begotten Son of GOD, full of grace and Truth. What GOD (Father,Spirit) could not do as the Father (Deity, Spirit,God) He did as the Son. GOD could not die. But in JESUS dwelt all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily. And we are COMPLETE IN HIM. ALL Power in Heaven and Earth was given unto JESUS!

Without faith it is impossible to please HIM. For he that cometh to GOD MUST believe that HE is, and that HE IS a Rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

If we never use/exercise the measure of faith GOD gives every man, there may not be any in our account, when we need it, Abraham believed GOD and it was put on his record/or accounted unto him for Righteousness.

Falla39

I think you make some interesting points here. Is the brother who got the shot alive?

Does your family take medications and go to the doctor for other things?

[ILG]

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[Falla39]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think you make some interesting points here. Is the brother who got the shot alive?

Does your family take medications and go to the doctor for other things?

ILG, yes, the brother that got the shot is alive. In Dec. 1995, he had a kidney transplant due to failed kidneys.
He and the niece that donated a kidney both came through the surgery and went home in a few days. He started a home missions church the next year. Just resigned a few months ago, to possibly work in another ministry, related to missions. The 26 yr old niece that donated one of her kidneys to her uncle, was born on his 15th birthday. She was born with enlarged kidneys.

Dad and Mom lived by THEIR faith, in the church and in the home. Although they trusted GOD for themselves and their family, as long as they lived at home. The people in the church they founded, decided whether or not they would seek medical assistance. When their children had their own homes, they would need to make the decision for their own family.
I thank GOD for the doctors that have assisted in situations regarding our children's families. There have been some serious situations, and though they sought medical help, GOD brought them through victoriously.
My husband and I have trusted GOD for many things. Over 20 yrs ago, my husband went to the ER after having several gallbladder attacks. They kept him for two days, and got the gallstones settled down. The Dr. he had gone to originally went on vacation and said when he got back from vacation, he would make those gallstones history. His
son release my husband to go home with a low-fat diet and to wait for the return of his father. The son wanted to go ahead and do the surgery, but since the gallstones had settled down, my husband said all he could think of was to get the elders and the ladies prayer group to lay hands on him, anointing him in the name of Jesus. He did get prayed for and todate have never had another attack. The e-ray technician who e-xayed him, told my friend from church, that that man had two of the largest gallstones she had ever seen.
God has been good to us. We give HIM Praise.

Falla39

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

ILG, yes, the brother that got the shot is alive. In Dec. 1995, he had a kidney transplant due to failed kidneys.
He and the niece that donated a kidney both came through the surgery and went home in a few days. He started a home missions church the next year. Just resigned a few months ago, to possibly work in another ministry, related to missions. The 26 yr old niece that donated one of her kidneys to her uncle, was born on his 15th birthday. She was born with enlarged kidneys.

Dad and Mom lived by THEIR faith, in the church and in the home. Although they trusted GOD for themselves and their family, as long as they lived at home. The people in the church they founded, decided whether or not they would seek medical assistance. When their children had their own homes, they would need to make the decision for their own family.
I thank GOD for the doctors that have assisted in situations regarding our children's families. There have been some serious situations, and though they sought medical help, GOD brought them through victoriously.
My husband and I have trusted GOD for many things. Over 20 yrs ago, my husband went to the ER after having several gallbladder attacks. They kept him for two days, and got the gallstones settled down. The Dr. he had gone to originally went on vacation and said when he got back from vacation, he would make those gallstones history. His
son release my husband to go home with a low-fat diet and to wait for the return of his father. The son wanted to go ahead and do the surgery, but since the gallstones had settled down, my husband said all he could think of was to get the elders and the ladies prayer group to lay hands on him, anointing him in the name of Jesus. He did get prayed for and todate have never had another attack. The e-ray technician who e-xayed him, told my friend from church, that that man had two of the largest gallstones she had ever seen.
God has been good to us. We give HIM Praise.

Falla39

Bump for ILG

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bump for ILG

Thanks, Falla.

[ILG]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...208075761.html

YAY!! Let's hope this gets passed!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ILG

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...208075761.html

YAY!! Let's hope this gets passed!

"Rep. Jeremy Thiesfeldt (R-Fond du Lac) said he began drafting the legislation after several hospital workers and health care contractors in his district complained they were fired after refusing to be vaccinated."