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03-01-2013, 03:50 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi
Prove it! You need to rightly divide all New Testament refrences to hair, and it becomes obivious that the problem in many of the churches was that the hair was broidered. That is how the head is not covered, and the hair is not yet cut. As I have repeated several times, the hair is the covering, and if it is an UpDo, it is broidered, and the head is not covered.
Nowhere in any of the three major NT hair references do the Apostles ever refer to a man made veil covering the head being a problem. If they did-Please show me!
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Sigh. Now I have heard it all. I hadn't read the entire thread to get your exact understanding of this scripture. This is wild.
So you are saying unless a woman wears her hair down, and not "up" that she is not covering her head? What? Does she have to cover her ears and neck too?
It wouldn't matter if I showed you scripture and verse or not. I have this picture in my mind of your wife with straight hair covering her eyes, ears, nose and neck. Is that truly covered? I guess, according to you.
Carry on...
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03-01-2013, 04:05 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi
Prove it! You need to rightly divide all New Testament refrences to hair, and it becomes obivious that the problem in many of the churches was that the hair was broidered. That is how the head is not covered, and the hair is not yet cut. As I have repeated several times, the hair is the covering, and if it is an UpDo, it is broidered, and the head is not covered.
Nowhere in any of the three major NT hair references do the Apostles ever refer to a man made veil covering the head being a problem. If they did-Please show me!
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circular argument alert!
The word for covered/uncovered refers to an artificial object put on top of the head.
Rightly dividing involves methods you don't use...
Context
Grammar
Author and audience
History.
That means you must read the verse in relation to the surrounding text. Rightly undefstand the grammar including the original language. Who wrote it and to whom. What was the historical setting at the time it was written.
Lastly one needs to understand types of speech
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03-01-2013, 04:08 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi
Prove it! You need to rightly divide all New Testament refrences to hair, and it becomes obivious that the problem in many of the churches was that the hair was broidered. That is how the head is not covered, and the hair is not yet cut. As I have repeated several times, the hair is the covering, and if it is an UpDo, it is broidered, and the head is not covered.
Nowhere in any of the three major NT hair references do the Apostles ever refer to a man made veil covering the head being a problem. If they did-Please show me!
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Prove it? What are you, 8 years old?
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03-01-2013, 04:13 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Sigh. Now I have heard it all. I hadn't read the entire thread to get your exact understanding of this scripture. This is wild.
So you are saying unless a woman wears her hair down, and not "up" that she is not covering her head? What? Does she have to cover her ears and neck too?
It wouldn't matter if I showed you scripture and verse or not. I have this picture in my mind of your wife with straight hair covering her eyes, ears, nose and neck. Is that truly covered? I guess, according to you.
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1Cor11:14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her[a] for a covering.
Not so wild after all!
If you want your wife to wear her hair like cousin it-That is your choice.
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03-01-2013, 04:17 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Prove it? What are you, 8 years old?
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03-01-2013, 04:20 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
WMSs understanding here is flawed BUT let me say that IF one makes the argument that long uncut hair is given in place of a veil that she should wear it AS a veil. However I don't believe Pauls intent was that her hair replaces a veil.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-01-2013, 04:52 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
WMSs understanding here is flawed BUT let me say that IF one makes the argument that long uncut hair is given in place of a veil that she should wear it AS a veil. However I don't believe Pauls intent was that her hair replaces a veil.
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Kind words Prax, and I mean it.
It has now been two weeks since I started this thread; I would like to say that if you have a conviction in your heart from the Lord to not cut your hair, then I personnally send you my blessings.
For those who do cut or trim their hair, you also have my blessings; as Paul has stated-It is best if your hair is worn in a manner that covers your head.
I do not believe that the Apostles or the Lord Jesus would approve with the amount of condemnation that has been linked to this issue, and for the way in which our neighbor has been treated.
Too often the church itself has been the one to send people to their doom, by the harsh nature in which women have been treated. We should all weep for them.
WMS
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03-02-2013, 11:46 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
circular argument alert!
The word for covered/uncovered refers to an artificial object put on top of the head.
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1 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
"The long hair is given for a covering" This is NOT an artificial covering.
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03-02-2013, 11:48 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
My covering is a nice electric blanket.
I love it.
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03-02-2013, 02:07 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
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Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi
1 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
"The long hair is given for a covering" This is NOT an artificial covering.
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Not the same greek word.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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