My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

[Wang Mo Shi]

Originally Posted by Esther

Paul never said wear your hair down that I find.
Praxes correctly stated was twining jewelry or something in the hair.

Plegma G4117

Also, broidered Braided (AV, Broided):

signifies "what is woven" (from pleko, "to weave, plait"), whether a net or basket (Josephus uses it of the ark of bulrushes in which the infant Moses was laid), or of a web, plait, braid. It is used in 1Ti 2:9, of "braided hair," which the Vulgate signifies as "ringlets, curls."

1) what is woven, plaited, or twisted together

2) a web, plait, braid

a) of a net

b) of a basket, in which the infant Moses was laid

c) of braided hair

1Ti 2:9 In like manner 5615 also 2532, that women 1135 adorn 2885 themselves 1438 in 1722 modest 2887 apparel 2689, with 3326 shamefacedness 127 and 2532 sobriety 4997; not 3361 with 1722 broided hair4117, or 2228 gold 5557, or 2228 pearls 3135, or 2228 costly 4185 array 2441;

Plaited hair has jewelry, and was worn by the wealthy. Broidered hair was worn by the less wealthy. Are you claiming that all Corinthian women were wealthy?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

Plegma G4117

Also, broidered Braided (AV, Broided):

signifies "what is woven" (from pleko, "to weave, plait"), whether a net or basket (Josephus uses it of the ark of bulrushes in which the infant Moses was laid), or of a web, plait, braid. It is used in 1Ti 2:9, of "braided hair," which the Vulgate signifies as "ringlets, curls."

1) what is woven, plaited, or twisted together

2) a web, plait, braid

a) of a net

b) of a basket, in which the infant Moses was laid

c) of braided hair

1Ti 2:9 In like manner 5615 also 2532, that women 1135 adorn 2885 themselves 1438 in 1722 modest 2887 apparel 2689, with 3326 shamefacedness 127 and 2532 sobriety 4997; not 3361 with 1722 broided hair4117, or 2228 gold 5557, or 2228 pearls 3135, or 2228 costly 4185 array 2441;

Plaited hair has jewelry, and was worn by the wealthy. Broidered hair was worn by the less wealthy. Are you claiming that all Corinthian women were wealthy?

No, you are trying to justify your actions by someone else's. Don't judge yourself among yourselves.

Seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I have never heard anyone before you refer to the neck as being part of the head. It is where the head is attached, not part of the head.

Trying to make a doctrine you can't wear your hair up is ingnorance, IMO.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Good grief, how many ways can people say the same thing?

It's not the same thing

One word refers specifically to a veil, another to a covering etc etc

[Sabby]

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

Plegma G4117

Also, broidered Braided (AV, Broided):

signifies "what is woven" (from pleko, "to weave, plait"), whether a net or basket (Josephus uses it of the ark of bulrushes in which the infant Moses was laid), or of a web, plait, braid. It is used in 1Ti 2:9, of "braided hair," which the Vulgate signifies as "ringlets, curls."

1) what is woven, plaited, or twisted together

2) a web, plait, braid

a) of a net

b) of a basket, in which the infant Moses was laid

c) of braided hair

1Ti 2:9 In like manner 5615 also 2532, that women 1135 adorn 2885 themselves 1438 in 1722 modest 2887 apparel 2689, with 3326 shamefacedness 127 and 2532 sobriety 4997; not 3361 with 1722 broided hair4117, or 2228 gold 5557, or 2228 pearls 3135, or 2228 costly 4185 array 2441;

Plaited hair has jewelry, and was worn by the wealthy. Broidered hair was worn by the less wealthy. Are you claiming that all Corinthian women were wealthy?

First of all that was not written to the Corinthians

Second what Peter and Paul were addressing was the Roman practice of women braiding their hair WITH gold and other expensive jewelry.

Third, hermeneutical principles tell us you can't just look up a word in strongs and that settles the matter. Of course I already pointed this out but you have to consider who was writing, to whom and when. When you do then what was being said takes on a clearer meaning.

And finally one has to recognize types of speech and idioms.

Now let me point something out I am sure you never thought of...

Paul did not use numbers. Man divided the chapters and verses later so the below verses should be read without the numbers.

Likewise the women are to dress in suitable apparel, with modesty and self-control. Their adornment must not be with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive clothing, but with good deeds, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God.

That is 1Ti 2:9 -10, now if Paul was talking about not braiding hair or wearing expensive clothing why didn't he say "but with inexpensive clothing and your hair down to your butt"?

Because Paul was not setting a law about clothing or hair styles, rather he was setting a principle about ATTITUDE...see what comes after "but"?

This is sort of an idiomatic expression found clearer in another book

Peter

1Pe 3:3 Do not let your adorning be external--the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing--
1Pe 3:4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

See? Peter isn't saying "don't put on clothes" but it's the attitude, what you emphasize

[Wang Mo Shi]

Common sense and reason teach us that a womans hair is given to her for a covering. We see this reference to nature as our teacher several times in the bible, especially in 1Cor11:14-15, and in the book of Romans chapter 1.

14 Does not [a]the native sense of propriety (experience, common sense, reason) itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is a dishonor [humiliating and degrading] to him,

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is her ornament and glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

People who say that a womans covering is manmade are simply unreasonable, and still caught up in our Catholic past. Dominus Vobisco- Don't forget your Veil and Rosary Beads! Hail Mary full of Grace!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi

Common sense and reason teach us that a womans hair is given to her for a covering.
We see this reference to nature as our teacher several times in the bible, especially in 1Cor11:14-15, and in the book of Romans chapter 1.

14 Does not [a]the native sense of propriety (experience, common sense, reason) itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is a dishonor [humiliating and degrading] to him,

15 But if a woman has long hair, it is her ornament and glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

Right, a covering. Not necessarily a veil.

People who say that a womans covering is manmade are simply unreasonable, and still caught up in our Catholic past. Dominus Vobisco- Don't forget your Veil and Rosary Beads! Hail Mary full of Grace!

You are confused. Paul discusses two different coverings by using two different greek words and context. He addresses the social norm at the time of women wearing a head covering of some sort.

Later Paul says her hear is given for a covering.

1Co 11:15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.