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Originally Posted by mfblume
No, I know you did not. I never said you did. But I am saying that in the instances of John 14 and John 16, I do not think it is speaking of the Person being synonymous in reference to the Name. I think it is speaking of the role of the Son being considered our "position". In those chapters, IN THE NAME means in the position as the Son. |
Well also consider that the context here is future
Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, '
Show us the Father'? Note that in the verses we are discussing Jesus says he will show them of the Father plainly
Joh 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
Note this is exactly what Jesus said of the Holy Spirit
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
Joh 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do,
because I am going to the Father. The verses in question, we are discussing really starts in this chapter
Joh 14:13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Notice ask in my name, I WILL do it so that the Father is glorified...how does the Father get the glory if it's in the Son's name and the Son is doing the answering to prayer? Well other translations render the next verse as
Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it. (see above, remember this is all the same discourse and the topic here is future tense)
Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
This is future still, but notice Jesus here is saying he WILL ask the Father, but later on Jesus is saying he won't pray the Father
Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
Joh 14:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
Joh 14:20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
Father and Son are the same hypostatically, praying to Jesus then or in Jesus name is to pray TO that one person. Praying TO Him is in essence a prayer to both Father and Son. A prayer to the Father is in essence also a prayer to the Son, there is an existential difference and an difference with the Human nature, but hypostatically they are the same.
Still I might be wrong, but the way Jesus speaks here is enigmatic as proven by his saying he had been speaking in proverbs up until now
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