Do OPs have a grace problem?

[Aquila]

Grace is the scarlet thread that runs through the entire journey of redemption that leads to salvation.

It begins in the foreknowledge of God. God knowing man would fall, displayed His grace in establishing a plan by which man would be redeemed.

Grace was at work when Jesus was crucified providing absolute atonement.

Grace was at work when Jesus served as our propitiation, taking our judgment and punishment upon Himself, leaving us legally "innocent" before God.

It is by grace that the Gospel is preached and the prevenient grace of God draws the sin laden heart through both the outer calling of the Gospel and the inner calling of the Spirit.

It is by grace that man is afforded a chance to believe, repent, and be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ leading to justification.

It is by grace through faith that we are justified in God's sight allowing us to receive the Holy Ghost.

It is by grace that we receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost and experience spiritual regeneration.

It is by grace that our union with God, and taking on the name of Jesus in baptism, makes us sons of God through adoption.

It is by grace that we are afforded the opportunity to become more Christlike in our life long journey of sanctification.

It is by grace that we are able to persevere in the faith in spite of our struggles and failures concerning our sinful nature.

It is by grace that death has lost it's sting and we find victory on our death bed.

And it will be by grace that we are raised from the dead, glorified, and reign forever as kings and priests in the presence of Jesus in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Grace is the foundation of it all.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by seekerman

When is the individual redeemed in this progressive salvation? When is grace sufficient in the progress of those seeking redemption by the blood of the Lamb of God?

He is purchased at baptism and united in covenant with Christ. "When is grace sufficient" you have a paradigm issue. His provision is always sufficient when you trust and follow His Word/Message given. You want sufficient to mean "his price pays not matter your heart or response to his call or failure to follow him" sry but that is never the case. OSAS is a lie and heretical. Nobody is judged righteous without BEING righteous in response. Only in being righteous can his righteous provision be applied to your life.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

He is purchased at baptism and united in covenant with Christ. "When is grace sufficient" you have a paradigm issue. His provision is always sufficient when you trust and follow His Word/Message given. You want sufficient to mean "his price pays not matter your heart or response to his call or failure to follow him" sry but that is never the case. OSAS is a lie and heretical. Nobody is judged righteous without BEING righteous in response. Only in being righteous can his righteous provision be applied to your life.

Although I disagree with your view that redemption occurs at baptism, at least that's an identifiable point in a person's life. I appreciate your answer.

As scripture suggests, grace isn't a license to sin, but one cannot 'outsin' grace.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

We are righteous only in Christ Jesus, our righteousness, apart from Him, is as menstrual rags. Our life should be in Him, through Him and by Him and pleasing to Him.

[KWSS1976]

The problem lies with folks that link Grace Salvation to thinking that those that believe in Grace only salvation go out and sin that the greasy Gracers can go do whatever they want and still be saved. Thats the wrong way of thinking. I know plenty of 3 steppers that have went back out into the world and continued to sin.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Although I disagree with your view that redemption occurs at baptism, at least that's an identifiable point in a person's life. I appreciate your answer.

As scripture suggests, grace isn't a license to sin, but one cannot 'outsin' grace.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

We are righteous only in Christ Jesus, our righteousness, apart from Him, is as menstrual rags. Our life should be in Him, through Him and by Him and pleasing to Him.

Grace does not abound/EXTEND unrepentant sin. So your point is a half right. While sin can be forgiven as his blood is sufficient. That however does not mean his atonement is effective toward LUKEWARMNESS and LACK OF FAITH in unrepentance.

1 John 1:7 is clear how we are cleansed and it is by WALKING.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Grace does not abound/EXTEND unrepentant sin. So your point is a half right. While sin can be forgiven as his blood is sufficient. That however does not mean his atonement is effective toward LUKEWARMNESS and LACK OF FAITH in unrepentance.

1 John 1:7 is clear how we are cleansed and it is by WALKING.

We aren't redeemed by our walk.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Although I disagree with your view that redemption occurs at baptism, at least that's an identifiable point in a person's life. I appreciate your answer.

As scripture suggests, grace isn't a license to sin, but one cannot 'outsin' grace.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

We are righteous only in Christ Jesus, our righteousness, apart from Him, is as menstrual rags. Our life should be in Him, through Him and by Him and pleasing to Him.

Also HOW CAN YOU life any longer in it? You are not a slave to sin now but to him that purchased you BECAUSE YOU PLEDGED YOURSELF TO HIM!

Rom 6:20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

FREE in regards to righteousness. YOU ARE NOT NOW FREE IN REGARDSTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. IT is NOW A DEBT! Paul is very clear you are SLACE to whom you obey. Grace cannot abound to unrepentant sin. Grace cannot abound/extend to a debtor running from his debt. You are only cleansed from the debt when walking according to your CALL TO RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by seekerman

We aren't redeemed by our walk.

not what scripture says! you can make assertions all you want. Scripture is scripture! You are redeemed by the blood of Christ WHICH IS REALIZED BY WALKING! Notice you like HALFING a statement.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

The problem lies with folks that link Grace Salvation to thinking that those that believe in Grace only salvation go out and sin that the greasy Gracers can go do whatever they want and still be saved. Thats the wrong way of thinking. I know plenty of 3 steppers that have went back out into the world and continued to sin.

The only "greasy grace" is one that can easily slip through your fingers. Jesus didn't die to provide a "greasy grace".

When one gets a true revelation of grace... they don't desire to sin. However, they are honest about their struggles and their sin nature before God and the brethren. Often way more honest than the legalists, which leads to the impression that they are just sinning away. But the one who has experienced true grace is transformed by said grace and is growing in the image and likeness of Jesus. Learning that the essence of exhibitting the grace received is to love God with all one's being... and to love others as themselves.

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by seekerman

We aren't redeemed by our walk.

We aren't redeemed by our walk, but we maintain our redemption with our walk.