Amen! So, Jesus is also in the OT, as well as the NT. The OT souls had faith in the work of Calvary to come, and in the Messiah... and in the NT, we have faith in the work of Calvary that took place, and in the Messiah.
And, whenever Peter and Paul mentions "scriptures" in the NT, they are not referring to their own writings, but they are referring to Torah. Romans 4:3, Romans 11:2, Gal. 4:30, II Tim. 3:16, 2Peter 1:20, 2Peter 3:16... these all say "scripture" and at the time of these writings, there was no such thing as the NT then, only the Torah scriptures, so...
The Torah was the scripture for the church of the NT.
So, indeed, our faith in the Messiah is what saves us, both OT and NT souls.
Messiah as sacrifice for sins was not known in OT, niether was a messiah as savior. The object of OT faith was God and the scriptures as you say.
As far as I know, the OT saints were saved looking towards the cross, just like we are looking back at the cross
you need verses to support your theory. how would OT saints know about the cross? just because a preacher wants to make the cross an object of OT faith doesn't make it so.
Leviticus 4:35
And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Lord: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
do you think jews can be forgiven by obeying the mosaic covenant without faith in christ?
I think that's what the OT says. This thing about sins being "pushed back" a year is new with the NT. The concept didn't seem to exist in OT times. The verse I quoted and others say sins were forgiven.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I think that's what the OT says. This thing about sins being "pushed back" a year is new with the NT. The concept didn't seem to exist in OT times. The verse I quoted and others say sins were forgiven.
that is an interesting thought. i believe it is called 2 covenant theory, where jews are forgiven under mosaic covenant and christians under new covenant, but when i searched the internet there was a page that quotes paul:
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
You know, the whole "sins rolled back" thing stems from what I was taught growing up. I never really questioned it, because we live under the new covenant now. The old covenant no longer applies. As I've looked into it since posting here, I can see where the theory originates (and still believe it holds some credence), but I can also see where you would come to a differing opinion. I'll have to look into it more when I have some free time.
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However, on the aforementioned "2 covenant theory", I would adamantly refute that. God doesn't have a different plan of salvation for the jews than for the gentiles. We are saved one way, through repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, as written in God's Word.
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