The church in history

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I have all sorts of thoughts on church history.

Ain't what I asked you.

Do you have any thoughts on why 1913 is such a pivotal year for the sudden appearance of the Church of Jesus Christ?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Ain't what I asked you.

Do you have any thoughts on why 1913 is such a pivotal year for the sudden appearance of the Church of Jesus Christ?

Do you have any thoughts on why there was no visible, viable, powerful and soul winning church of Jesus Christ teaching that Jesus is not God (besides the watchtower group, perhaps)?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you have any thoughts on why there was no visible, viable, powerful and soul winning church of Jesus Christ teaching that Jesus is not God (besides the watchtower group, perhaps)?

At least the watchtower sect preceeded the oneness pentecostal sect by several decades. They have the same elitist, 'we have the truth and you don't' attitude as the oneness pentecostal sect though. Well, maybe their elitism is worse than oneness pentecostalism.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by seekerman

My issue is that oneness pentecostals cannot find the Church of Jesus Christ during the 1800s, a relatively recent century. Yet, after 1913, they suddenly can find the Church of Jesus Christ. Why?

Do you believe in speaking in tounges as evidence of the Holy Spirit?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Oh, I realize that the sudden appearance of the Church of Jesus Christ after centuries of absence isn't a problem for many oneness pentecostals. The dominance of satan over the Church of Jesus Christ doesn't bother them at all it seems.

But.....why the sudden appearance of the Church of Jesus Christ in 1913? What was going on before then? Was the Church of Jesus Christ dead, buried, in hiding, afraid of the enemy....what?

1913 is a pivotal year in the sudden appearance of the Church of Jesus Christ it seems. Satan was completely victorious over the Church until that year?

Why was 1522 suddenly a in Church History? Where was the "Real Church of Jesus Christ" prior to that? How is that pivotal moment any different from 1913? (Or 1901 for that matter). Both came through the revelation of the Spirit. Both changed history. How is it different?

By the way, in case you haven't noticed; satan remains firmly in control of that portion of the so-called pre-1522 "Church." It's called the RCC!

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Julian

Do you believe in speaking in tounges as evidence of the Holy Spirit?

Fruit of the Spirit is not tongues.

[houston]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Fruit of the Spirit is not tongues.

Evidence isn't fruit. Fruit is evidence.

Quote me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Who says the church, the REAL church, must be visible throughout history from Pentecost till now?

The Reformed Protestant doctrine is not apostolic succession, but apostolic continuity - ie, the real church is whoever believes and practices the Bible, whenever they may be living.

The Catholic/Orthodox churches claim apostolic succession - ie, one must point to a continuously visible and continuously existing 'church' to identify the 'real' church.

Not saying either is correct, just pointing out to seekerman that his argument against OPs being representative of the true church is outside the pale of Reformed, Protestant, and Evangelical orthodoxy, and would be recognizable as valid only by a catholic/Eastern Orthodox person.

Just saying.

my thoughts too. Protestants have legs to stand on before Luther....

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by houston

Evidence isn't fruit. Fruit is evidence.

Quote me.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

my thoughts too. Protestants have legs to stand on before Luther....

Where does Luther fit into all of this????