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Old 06-21-2013, 09:28 AM
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Re: Newborns & Children go to hell?! What does the

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Perhaps you assume too much.
Fair statement. My assumptions are informed by 25 years of fundamental bible believing and hearing it preached (at least the parts that preachers bother to preach.) That experience has no doubt triggered and hardened certain assumptions, but not without some valid evidence.

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The wages of sin is DEATH. Sin is transgression of the law. The penalty for sin is death, not 'eternal torture'.
Are you claiming no humans go to eternal torture? If punishment or hell is merely annihilation and not eternal torture, that's welcome news for the unfortunate unsaved! (no sarcasm implied.) But appears from everyday observation that "regular death" is the default phase of all life on earth, whether a bacteria, a tree, or a person. So if the thing we are already used to (natural death) is all that the bible writers had in mind for the unsaved then what's the big fuss about "eternal" or "everlasting" punishment, per below?

Apparently god's power of inspiration of his holy writers did not make much effort to "walk back" what the following appears to be saying:

Mark 9: 43 “.. it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into unquenchable fire. (NAS)

Same verse, NKJV: "to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched"

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) The devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Obviously not many presumably human beings are mentioned in above verse. Anyone else going to join them?
Apparently yes:
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire..

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There is no Bible verse which teaches that the penalty for sin on Judgement Day is eternal torture.
Um, okay.

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You speak of 'the smallest sin' as if sin is a 'trifle'. Let's see...
No, actually I was trying to claim that NT bible writers make little or no distinction between little and big sins (see James 2:10.)
Our everyday experiences suggest that there are gradations of sin, but in light of the fallen Adamic nature of mankind, such gradations are pretty much irrelevant.

You came up with "TRIFLE." The word I used was FINITE.

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They even imagine that God's way is 'psychotic',
I'll own that. To punish a finite sin with an infinitely painful punishment lasting for eternity is a psychotic thing to do under any circumstances.
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