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07-26-2013, 07:09 PM
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Jerry Moon
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Paul instruct the church to disfellowship and shun some for certain issues? I don't know what you were "shunned" for, but there is precedent for shunning those who do certain things in the church.
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He give reasons for it, the UPC marks anyone that leaves. That's what gets them labeled as a cult.
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07-27-2013, 03:14 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
You can't lump all the churches together. It's a case by case basis. I would say half my church does not "do" standards. They are not treated like second class citizens. My Pastor very much believes in standards, but want's saint to feel like they belong. If you don't do standards you can participate in pretty much any ministry except platform ministries.
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07-27-2013, 03:18 PM
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Jerry Moon
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
They are not treated like second class citizens. My Pastor very much believes in standards, but want's saint to feel like they belong. If you don't do standards you can participate in pretty much any ministry except platform ministries.
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Love it.... Not treated as second rate citizens in first statement, then you give a example how they are treated as second class citizens. And the saddest part is you didn't relize what you did.
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07-27-2013, 04:04 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
Sorry, I don't think that is treating them like second class citizens. There are many people that are not allowed on the platform for various reasons. The ministry/platform in any church has a set of standards. I personally don't believe most of the standards myself, but see nothing wrong with having standards for the platform.
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Love it.... Not treated as second rate citizens in first statement, then you give a example how they are treated as second class citizens. And the saddest part is you didn't relize what you did.
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07-27-2013, 04:07 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
I'm sure that felt condsecending and annoying, but I'm guessing her heart was in the right place.
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
While we were still in California,we were visiting some friends who lived out of town they invited us to a moderate UPC church that they attended and we did not want to be rude so we went. We had been out of UPC a few years by then and my wife was not do the church lady look any longer. We really enjoyed ourselves in worship and after church it was a big deal to the pastors mom it was questioned if we prayed through and if we were coming home.
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07-27-2013, 04:20 PM
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Jerry Moon
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
Sorry, I don't think that is treating them like second class citizens. There are many people that are not allowed on the platform for various reasons. The ministry/platform in any church has a set of standards. I personally don't believe most of the standards myself, but see nothing wrong with having standards for the platform.
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But they will sure let you worship by giving in the offering won't they? Yes... That puts everyone that is not allowed on the platform as a little bit lower ....
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07-27-2013, 04:51 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
Sorry, I don't think that is treating them like second class citizens. There are many people that are not allowed on the platform for various reasons. The ministry/platform in any church has a set of standards. I personally don't believe most of the standards myself, but see nothing wrong with having standards for the platform.
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I hope you reflect upon your post here and over time come to see that it is EXACTLY treating folks as second class citizens.
The whole point being made was that if you don't adhere to the dress code you are not considered fully "right" with God and not allowed to participate in ministry.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-27-2013, 06:47 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
Not UPC but always try to treat backsliders with kindness.
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07-27-2013, 07:34 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Renee29
You can't lump all the churches together. It's a case by case basis. I would say half my church does not "do" standards. They are not treated like second class citizens. My Pastor very much believes in standards, but want's saint to feel like they belong. If you don't do standards you can participate in pretty much any ministry except platform ministries.
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Just curious.... Are "platform standards" just for the platform? Or do these standards carry over into the people's every-day life?
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07-27-2013, 07:35 PM
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Re: Left the UPC...Now Back Again
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Not UPC but always try to treat backsliders with kindness.
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