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Originally Posted by jfrog
1. You had to bring knowing into this. I can't in fact know whether anyone really repented. People lie and there is no test to tell whether someone truly repented or not. In fact there's very little I can actually know... However I believe we can trust most people when I comes to these matters. For example I trust you when u claim to be truly repented that you are. Could I be wrong well sure. But I don't know why you would actively distrust someone who claims to be truly repentant though... Oh never mind I do know why... Because it goes against what you believe the bible teaches and surely your interpretation can't be wrong...
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Then what is the point in this topic? BTW you just committed another logical fallacy, shifting the burden of proof or trying to put this on me when it's your argument not mine, you should be in defense of.
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2. Initial evidence doctrine teaches that everyone who repents and is baptized will receive the Holy Ghost and that they will speak in tongues upon receiving it.
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No. It teaches anyone who repents and is baptized will receive the Spirit and tongues IF THEY WANT IT AND SEEK IT.
In other words those that hold to this doctrine of initial evidence do not believe you receive the Spirit and tongues the moment you repent and are baptized. In fact they don't even stress the absolute necessity of being baptized first.
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It's funny that pentecostals believe that only other penyecostals ever actually repent because obviously the only reason someone that is baptized wouldn't receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues before death is if they weren't truly repentant. That's the only explanation they can offer and it's funny that it means only Pentecostals ever truly repent...
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Strawman argument.