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Old 11-19-2013, 11:52 AM
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Re: Submission to a pastor

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Who is and who isn't God's anointed is God's business. Everyone filled with the Holy Spirit is anointed, generally speaking. However, there are people who are called and chosen specifically by God for some mission in the Kingdom. If they are so called and chosen, it's no different than Saul or David. God picked them. To argue that is to have a beef with God.
The church is not Old Covenant Israel with their 'king like all the other nations'. David respected God's choice of Saul, and thus did not kill him when he had the chance. But David did not 'submit' to Saul in the same sense a lot of people claim one must submit to their pastor.

Furthermore, Jesus specifically forbad elders in the church from acting like kings. Therefore, an elder in the church who is acting like a king and comparing himself to king Saul (of all people!!) is in direct disobedience to the Lord.

Finally, the issue of who is tasked with leadership in the church, and what that entails, most certainly involves the church as a whole. To suggest 'that's between God and the preacher' is just plain ridiculous.

Also, consider king Herod - he was 'God's anointed' over Judea at the time (Romans 13?) yet he was rebuked by John and reproached by Jesus. Why? Because he was an immoral sinner, not a godly ruler.

David, undoubtedly God's 'anointed', was rebuked by Nathan.

Preachers are not above rebuke unless they are above reproach. It is not 'touching God's anointed' to question a church elder about some declaration they make or in regards to their actions if those declarations and actions appear contrary to Scripture.

I do find it revealing however that many feel that questioning the pastor is on the same level as if David had KILLED SAUL when he had the chance. Lot's of subsurface stuff going on there, I'm sure...
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