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12-09-2013, 02:05 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
We were discussing the eternal prexistence of the Son as the Son vs as the Logos who became the Son not how long the Son exists
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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12-09-2013, 02:43 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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We were discussing the eternal prexistence of the Son as the Son vs as the Logos who became the Son not how long the Son exists
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Excuse me.
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12-09-2013, 03:47 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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Excuse me.
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Just explaing the difference. Martin and Mccarthur believed the Son wasn't always the son but was the logos
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-09-2013, 04:33 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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OK. I've heard that the "Sonship ended at I Cor. 15:24 - 28.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power
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1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. |
His rule as the Son ends, but his humanity and glorified human body have no end.
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12-09-2013, 06:54 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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His rule as the Son ends, but his humanity and glorified human body have no end.
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Thank you.
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12-09-2013, 08:32 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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Thanks for the affirmation. But please remember I say those things as a "three stepper".
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12-11-2013, 06:19 PM
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Re: John Macarthur: Pentecostals Are Lost!
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If you teach Acts 2:38 as the gospel instead of the correct response to the gospel, then you too are a false teacher. |
This statement does not make sense. If you preach Act 2:38 as the gospel INSTEAD of the CORRECT RESPONSE to the gospel??
So are you saying that if you preach repentance only as the gospel instead of the correct response to the gospel, are you not equally a false teacher.
It seems to me that you are basing the truth or error on a response rather than what is being responded to.
Sorry that does not fly.
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12-11-2013, 10:05 PM
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They certainly teach license to sin.
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Not true in MacArthurs case. It is true of some OSAS proponents.
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12-11-2013, 10:09 PM
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Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Hmmmm......should I apply this to some of the preachers in the UPC? You want to see ravenous wolves tear up the sheep and love grow cold, just tell them you don't believe the Bible teaches the initial evidence doctrine and standards and see some real ugliness.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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12-11-2013, 10:12 PM
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Sweeping Generalization
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Yes obviously it is not true of every OP. Some OPs are the finest most godly Christians I've ever met.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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