Creation vs. Evolution Debate

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Luke

Simple let you ask God why He called them day 1,2and 3

Maybe whoever was inspired to write Genesis didn't know what else to call them?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Luke

Simple let you ask God why He called them day 1,2and 3

And now, Ferd will report the answer he got from God, and the discussion is over.

[Timmy]

Ya know, if the "days" in Gen 1 were not literal 24-hour periods, it would have been pretty tough for the plants (third day) to survive without the sun (fourth day) for very long. Just sayin'.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Ya know, if the "days" in Gen 1 were not literal 24-hour periods, it would have been pretty tough for the plants (third day) to survive without the sun (fourth day) for very long. Just sayin'.

God could have miraculously made the plants to survive for however long he wanted. See, problem solved

[jfrog]

My problem with any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and even the day-age theory on genesis 1 is that in both accounts it states that the earth was created before the sun. Modern science concludes that the sun is older than the earth.

In other words, science and both the literal and day-age interpretations of genesis 1 are actually opposed. You cannot believe either of those interpretations of genesis 1 and current science both. So please, take your pick. Oh and if you so happen to pick either the literal or the day-age interpretation of genesis 1 over current science, can you please try and give me some scientific evidence for the earth being older than the sun. Anything at all please? (By the way saying my evidence for the sun being older than the earth has problems is not the same as providing evidence that the earth is older than the sun).

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

God could have miraculously made the plants to survive for however long he wanted. See, problem solved

Every problem can be solved that way.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

My problem with any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and even the day-age theory on genesis 1 is that in both accounts it states that the earth was created before the sun. Modern science concludes that the sun is older than the earth.

In other words, science and both the literal and day-age interpretations of genesis 1 are actually opposed. You cannot believe either of those interpretations of genesis 1 and current science both. So please, take your pick. Oh and if you so happen to pick either the literal or the day-age interpretation of genesis 1 over current science, can you please try and give me some scientific evidence for the earth being older than the sun. Anything at all please? (By the way saying my evidence for the sun being older than the earth has problems is not the same as providing evidence that the earth is older than the sun).

One solution that has been offered: God made the universe look older than it is. Fossils created in place. Light created en route from where the stars are (or seem to be) to earth. Stalactites and stalagmites... you get the idea. And the reason God did all that? So we would "have to" believe in him and in the Bible purely on faith.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Timmy

One solution that has been offered: God made the universe look older than it is. Fossils created in place. Light created en route from where the stars are (or seem to be) to earth. Stalactites and stalagmites... you get the idea. And the reason God did all that? So we would "have to" believe in him and in the Bible purely on faith.

Very true, but at least in that solution young earth creationists aren't forced to deny science, they can just respond that even though science is right about the earth actually appearing to be billions of years old that doesn't mean it actually is that old.

God creating an earth about 10000 years ago that appears in every respect to be billions of years old is miraculous. It's also interesting that this explanation will also work if evolution is ever verified by science so strongly that young earth creationists don't even try denying it. I can hear it now, Genesis 1 literalists would be saying that God created mankind about 10000 years ago to appear they had evolved from single celled organisms over billions of years.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Luke

Simple let you ask God why He called them day 1,2and 3

? how about you ask God why he was tied to a 24 hour clock, for three....."days"..... before he created TIME?

TIME itself did not exist before day 4. God inhabits eternity. Eternity is set apart from time. Time is something God made for MANKIND. He didnt make it for himself and he didnt make it to confine himself.

Gen 1.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:#
the day…: Heb. between the day and between the night
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.#
to rule the day…: Heb. for the rule of the day, etc.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Ya know, if the "days" in Gen 1 were not literal 24-hour periods, it would have been pretty tough for the plants (third day) to survive without the sun (fourth day) for very long. Just sayin'.

why? God seperated light from darkness on day 1.

and why would it be hard for Gods creation to do anything God wanted it to do? Thats kind of silly Timmy.