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Old 01-08-2014, 09:39 AM
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why? God seperated light from darkness on day 1.

and why would it be hard for Gods creation to do anything God wanted it to do? Thats kind of silly Timmy.
OK, fine. Enough light, before the sun existed, to keep plants alive though thousands of generations. And no, it would not be hard for God to do anything, such as what the frog and I have been talking about, namely, creating an old-looking universe a few thousand years ago.

You know, when one accepts a miraculous explanation for something, one really has no basis to reject any miraculous claims. But one will anyway, of course.
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:27 AM
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My problem with any literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and even the day-age theory on genesis 1 is that in both accounts it states that the earth was created before the sun. Modern science concludes that the sun is older than the earth.

In other words, science and both the literal and day-age interpretations of genesis 1 are actually opposed. You cannot believe either of those interpretations of genesis 1 and current science both. So please, take your pick. Oh and if you so happen to pick either the literal or the day-age interpretation of genesis 1 over current science, can you please try and give me some scientific evidence for the earth being older than the sun. Anything at all please? (By the way saying my evidence for the sun being older than the earth has problems is not the same as providing evidence that the earth is older than the sun).
So.....put my faith in the Word of God (the Bible).......or put my faith in modern science......hmmm???? As for me....I'll take God's word any day!

In reality it doesn't matter one way or the other (young earth vs old earth) .....either way, one has to have faith in a God that created the universe and all that dwells therein.
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OK, fine. Enough light, before the sun existed, to keep plants alive though thousands of generations. And no, it would not be hard for God to do anything, such as what the frog and I have been talking about, namely, creating an old-looking universe a few thousand years ago.

You know, when one accepts a miraculous explanation for something, one really has no basis to reject any miraculous claims. But one will anyway, of course.
i think the idea of God creating an "old looking universe" is also silly.


He created the universe before he created time... which he created for humanity...

if it was created IN ETERNITY it would by definition be undefinable in terms of age.

why is this a hard concept to grasp?
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Maybe whoever was inspired to write Genesis didn't know what else to call them?
or just maybe, it wasnt written in english with an english understanding of the concept.... LOL.
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So.....put my faith in the Word of God (the Bible).......or put my faith in modern science......hmmm???? As for me....I'll take God's word any day!

In reality it doesn't matter one way or the other (young earth vs old earth) .....either way, one has to have faith in a God that created the universe and all that dwells therein.
yea good old modern science... like how back in the 80s we had to get away from saturated fats...so they pushed transfats... then last year, they decide to BAN TRANSFATS beause they are really bad for you.

like that.


good grief.

I have high choloestrol. go out on the internet (like AFF) and you will find people who tell you to either eat full fat, and no carbs or you will find people telling you to go vegan. dur???


Bishoph, you have it exactly right. Modern science cant hardly be trusted to know which way is up, much less how we got here.

the invisible unknowable God, that requires faith to believe in is the vastly safter bet!

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Maybe whoever was inspired to write Genesis didn't know what else to call them?
Maybe Moses wrote exactly what God told him to write.
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i think the idea of God creating an "old looking universe" is also silly.


He created the universe before he created time... which he created for humanity...

if it was created IN ETERNITY it would by definition be undefinable in terms of age.

why is this a hard concept to grasp?
It's not.
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Maybe Moses wrote exactly what God told him to write.
Thats not inspiration. Thats dictation. Study hermeneutics.
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or just maybe, it wasnt written in english with an english understanding of the concept.... LOL.
It was written in hebrew using the hebrew word for "day"
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Thats not inspiration. Thats dictation. Study hermeneutics.
Does not inspiration include that which is "God breathed"? Did not God give at least some of the Pentateuch by dictation? What did God speak to Moses about for 40 days on Mt. Sinai, the plight of the Lakers front office?
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