End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

So Sasha, you are saying... one cannot preach without teaching, but they can teach without preaching. The conclusion is preaching can bleed over into teaching but teaching cannot bleed over into preaching. I am sure no one will ever confuse that distinction.

Better tell those women preachers that!

RJR, do you witness to others? By this I mean, do you speak to your neighbor and share the gospel with him? In doing so, are you preaching to him or teaching him? There is a difference.

Every day, I teach people. It's part of my job, but I also share Jesus with them. I'm not preaching to them, but I am teaching them.

A cake is made of flour, but not everything made of flour is a cake.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

This was what I was responding to! You said a mere servant isn't that noteworthy, is it? I responded those who SERVED tables so the Apostles who gave themselves to prayer and the ministry of the word were noteworthy. Full of the HG and wisdom and of honest report. Yes, men and women who serve are noteworthy. The discussion revolves around HOW they serve. I see where women MINISTERED (deacon) unto him of their substance, Luke 8:3. They wasn't preaching they were serving!



Hope that clears it up.

Acts 6 doesn't mention that the 7 men mentioned are table waiters. I read the entire chapter. This is what is says...

1And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

2Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

3Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

4But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

5And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:

6Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.

7And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.


Where do you get they were tablewaiters? The Bible called them disciples! The twelve didn't call the people serving them, he called for the other disciples and told them to choose 7 men from among them, not among the table waiters.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Men waited the tables...

They sure did, Sis Alvear. Did you notice the men SERVED (diakoneō) tables? That is the same word used for what the women did in Luke 8:3 (diakoneō) of their substance. The men were not over preaching tables neither was the women preaching their substance. The fact is both men and women served and both were noteworthy in that their names were given. One can serve and be a fellow laborer without being a preacher.

So back again to the subject, there was no female priest in OT, no female apostle chosen by Christ, no qualifications for a female deacon, no qualifications for a female bishop, the woman and not the man was forbidden to teach in the church, was to forbidden to exercise authority over the man.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

They sure did, Sis Alvear. Did you notice the men SERVED (diakoneō) tables? That is the same word used for what the women did in Luke 8:3 (diakoneō) of their substance. The men were not over preaching tables neither was the women preaching their substance. The fact is both men and women served and both were noteworthy in that their names were given. One can serve and be a fellow laborer without being a preacher.

So back again to the subject, there was no female priest in OT, no female apostle chosen by Christ, no qualifications for a female deacon, no qualifications for a female bishop, the woman and not the man was forbidden to teach in the church, was to forbidden to exercise authority over the man.

You still cannot excuse Junia, despite your desperate attempt at making her a tablewaiter, something the Bible doesn't mention nor does Paul.

As for authority, no man other than my husband has authority over me. That's Bible.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You do know that the opposite of church isn't home, right? There are lots more places for a person to be than at home or at church. That being said, Paul didn't mention that women are not to teach in a church. If so, then Sunday School teachers everywhere are in error, since they teach in a church. And I never mentioned anything about home.

1Co 14:35..  ..And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Again, Sunday School teachers everywhere are in error, according to what you are saying.

Tit 2:4..  ..That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,


No, I'm speaking about authority. The president has authority over you. A judge has authority over you. That doesn't mean I'm saying a judge is a president.



This has nothing to do with the discussion anymore than bringing up the burning bush God spoke through. God speaks through us all, male and female, that doesn't make us comparable to a donkey or a bush.

A woman was not to speak in the church, the term for speak is translated 6 times preach or one of its cognates. Not one OT female priest, not one female apostle chosen by Christ, not one qualification given for a female deacon, niether female bishop. Woman was to be in silence and not to speak/preach in church, she was to learn in silence with subjection. Silence was not completely without sound as is evidenced in in 1 Cor 14:28.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You still cannot excuse Junia, despite your desperate attempt at making her a tablewaiter, something the Bible doesn't mention nor does Paul.

As for authority, no man other than my husband has authority over me. That's Bible.

I agree, it does not appear too many women posting on this thread has a man of God who is over them.

Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
Heb 13:24
1 Tim 5:17
1 Thes 5:12
1 Tim 3:5
1 Pet 5:2

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

The Greek word for speak (laleo) in the for 1 Cor 14:35 is translated preach, preached, and preaching in other passages.


1Co 14:35..  ..And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (laleo) in the church.

Preached

Mar 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

Preach

Act 16:6

Preaching

Act 11:19

Preaching or to speak in the church, 1 Cor 14:35 is what women are expressely forbidden to do.

Eh...no.

Look at the context

1Co 14:34 Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
1Co 14:35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.

If you were right that it means preach then contextually Paul was telling the women to preach to their husbands at home not at church.

The context shows he was regarding LEARNING and ASKING their husbands questions they should ask instead at home.

aléō; contracted lalṓ, fut. lalḗsō. To talk at random, as contrasted with légō (G3004) which involves the intellectual part of man, his reason. It is used especially of children with the meaning of to talk much.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

Look these verses up, it is the same word used for speak (laleo) in 1 Cor 14:35. It is not going away the same Greek word for speak is used for preached, preach, preaching.

1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (laleo) in the church.

Preached

Mark 2:2, Act 8:25, Act 13:42, Act 14:25

Preach

Act 16:6

Preaching

Act 11:19

Mar 2:2 And at once many were gathered, so as none any longer had room, not even to the door. And He spoke the Word to them.

Vincents Word Study
He preached (ἐλάλει)
Lit., spake, as Rev. Imperfect tense. He was speaking when the occurrence which follows took place.

Act 8:25 Now when they had testified and spoken the word of the Lord, they returned to Jerusalem, preaching the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.

The word Spoken is Laleo. The next word Preaching the gospel is εὐαγγελίζω

I could probably go on, but my point is, finding a small sample in a particular translation that translates a word one way does not mean it's ALWAYS translated or meant to be translated that way.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by RJR

I thank my God , I speak... (he was not quoting a letter, a letter does not speak in unknown tongues)

1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

I (Paul not a letter) speak five words...

1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I write unto you, (not a letter you wrote)

1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

It was Paul who gave the prohibition for a woman to speak/preach in the church, not a letter someone else wrote.
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1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Using your logic though Paul was saying "Preach in tongues" because the word for SPEAK is Laleo.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"a letter does not speak in unknown tongues"

omg, you are so literal-minded. a letter may be misunderstood, no? what is the difference?

He did that in his sleep