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Originally Posted by shazeep
ok,, and considering all of the 'facts' in the Bible as being indelible, what is that? They were facts in their time, and recorded as history, for a reflection, imo--considering them as being the final word for any other situation is spiritual suicide, and there is plenty of Scripture for this.
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Originally Posted by RJR
Start listing them, this should be interesting. You have done so well in presenting your other case. 
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Originally Posted by shazeep
The Scripture Itself, taken as a whole, is a blueprint for change; you cannot read most of the OT and expect it to apply directly to life today; we are in a different dispensation at the very least--most of us, anyway  --and in a time of Grace now. Does this mean God changed? Of course not. It is us who must needs change. I think you know perfectly well what spirit I'm coming from, but would prefer to cut your nose off rather than agree with anyone with a different pov. Now, that is your perfect right, and I can understand and even respect attempts to defend Scripture, which i have no intention of trying to invalidate.
However, you make the perfect the enemy of the good, perhaps, when you imagine that you can counsel another, not living in your shoes, better than the Holy Spirit--and then see fit to condemn them out of hand. I notice you have thus far ignored many pertinent examples, that might help 'prove' or disprove your case, and I don't expect that when I run across some nifty little legal bind for you that i will get any more attention.
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Originally Posted by shazeep
So then, would you say that Israel is blessed today? I suggest you maybe put me on 'ignore,' otherwise this line is going to shred you, ok?
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Originally Posted by shazeep
i see you apparently took me up on my advice! 
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Start listing them was the challenge. So far you have asked if Israel is blessed today. Is that the list and the shredder?
Much of your musings do not make sense. Such as the reference to a "little legal bind for you I will get any more attention."
As for I Israel, since you asked,
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.