You are laughing because you think that simply by calling someone a Disciple they are saved? We are not saved until the end.
I John 2:24-27 speaks of Him that abides in us, the anointing that abides in us must remain as with it, it is the promise He has given which gives us eternal life.
We know it (the Holy Spirit of promise) as the "earnest of our inheritance". Ephesians 1:13-14
You are laughing because you think that simply by calling someone a Disciple they are saved? We are not saved until the end.
I John 2:24-27 speaks of Him that abides in us, the anointing that abides in us must remain as with it, it is the promise He has given which gives us eternal life.
We know it (the Holy Spirit of promise) as the "earnest of our inheritance". Ephesians 1:13-14
So, you're not saved?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I believe that if God came back today I am saved. But, will I be in 10 years? I hope so, but what if I become weary in well doing? I have been there before and God helped me through it. I know what it feels like to think you don't care anymore. And I know what all is involved in getting back on your feet again. You sure don't forget that process in a hurry.
We are instructed to remain "diligent/make an effort" (2 Peter 3:14)
Great understanding, explanation, and defense of the faith Pressing-On! My soul is encouraged, may God bless you and your family in these last days.
__________________ Matthew 24:13-14 "But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
This is why some believe that there is a separation/difference between salvation at repentance and believing and a later empowering of the the Holy Ghost, IE tongues as an external manifistation.
I can show you where Cornelius was devout, prayed always, fasted, was charitable, saw an angel in a vision who knew and spoke his name, and still was not saved. Acts 11:14-17. The only difference between the early verses of Acts 10 and the later verses of Acts 10 was Cornelius received the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues and was baptized in Jesus name.
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Originally Posted by obriencp
One could also read this as they hadn't heard of the empowerment of being filled with the Holy Ghost. Paul never stated they weren't saved. He did however pray for them that they too could receive a greater blessing that had been experienced by others.
Neither did he say they were saved. He knew that if they had believed on Him as the scripture hath said, out of their bellies SHALL flow rivers of living water, this was spoken of the Spirit. St John 7:38-39. In other words, if they believed as the scripture teaches they should have received the Holy Ghost, which was indeed his question.
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Originally Posted by obriencp
Most OPs cannot separate tongues from salvation, or water from salvation. If you separate tongues from salvation, it's not so hard to see how one could be saved long before they ever speak in tongues. Acts traces the spread of the church and outpouring of the Holy Ghost. The experience of tongues was to prove to the apostles that God was not a respector of persons and that all could be saved under this new covenant.
On a separate note... we love to throw out verses that connect baptism to salvation. How many more verses connect believing/faith to salvation or having life? Now i expect people to counter this with James ch 2 to bolster the claim that faith and repentance alone cannot bring salvation.
The facts are, that Bible believing or Bible faith is not mere acknowledgment or assent, faith produces action. Believeth and is baptized Mark 16:16, cometh to God must believe that he is and is a rewarder of them that DILIGENTLY SEEK Him Heb 11:6, believing is obedience Rom 10:17, faith without works is dead being alone, as the body without the spirit is dead faith without works is dead also, James 2.
It's so simple. A direct question was asked in the bible and a direct answer was given.
Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Now folks want to complicate it by you have to blah blah blah and then you have to blah blah blah blah and then you might be saved.
What must I do to be saved? (See answer above) And forget about a lot of jumping through the hoops of the hundreds of salvation plans out there.
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