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Originally Posted by Sean
LOOK WHAT YOU QUOTED LUKE, YOUR (GOD) WAS BORN in verse 15
YOUR (GOD) WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD in verse 18.
I told you Jesus preexisted in the "mind" of God.(read my previous thread again) But the scripture is YOUR PROBLEM to deal with here.
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You should really read what i posted then you would have seen that as i pointed out the passage is not speaking of a literal birth but rather of rank.
Is Jesus not your God also?
Jesus was not born before the woman that gave birth to him was born to say so simply shows a grasping at straws. The passage you refered to in colosians when taken context clearly is speaking of rank not actual birth order.
Col. 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence.
If Jesus created all things and was before all things how did he have a beginning point?
Even if you want to say that really it God the Father speaking the world into existance and those words were Jesus that still does not work because according to that line of reasoning there was a time when Jesus did not exist and the though of those words preceeded those words therefore Jesus was not before all things. Also those words would have been made by someone other than Jesus and that would have been something that Jesus did not make again contradicting the very passage you ascribe to. God may speak of things that havent yet happened as if they alread have but He does not speak of what did not happen as if it did that is called lying.
Please address the last paragraph of my post as you neglected to do so earlier.
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