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Originally Posted by n david
The difference here is you give the other churches an out by claiming they don't measure who's "in" or "out."
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Again, you are twisting what I said. I gave examples of about 4 other churches that measure who is "in" and who is "out".
Again, this thread is not about all UPC'ers faking it. I never once said all UPC'ers are faking. In fact, I completely disagree that most UPC'ers are faking it. I think most are sincere Christians.
This thread is about how external rules can be used to measure who is "in" or "out" with God and if these external rules can be faked, should they be used as a measuring stick? And since people who do fake are rarely found out by discernment of the church and instead are often found out by scandal, hurting many in the church, could it be that these rules actually help fakers hide? And could less people be hurt and could there be more discernment if churches stopped using external rules as a measurement?
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