Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

No; I'm saying that i know, for sure, as sure as i am about our salvation, that there are 'other' ways. They are the same way. They must follow spiritually what you are regurgitating literally. I don't mean that to be a put-down, so please take it at face value. That is a 'book' knowing, that we are given.

I am sorry but you are mistaken there is only one way of salvation and that is through Jesus and His death (on the cross) burial and ressurection.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Salvationc omes through faith in the death burial and riseing again of JESUS there is no other way.

To say otherwise is to say that Jesus was either wrong and you know what He did not or that He is a liar.

Originally Posted by shazeep

There it is--imo, just find some less loaded words for a couple of those terms, as they have been corrupted now, and regurgitate that. I doubt we are qualified to even discuss Christianity, frankly. I'm sure we're not. Every time we post, you or me, someone in hell laughs, and someone in heaven shakes their head.

Why are we not qualified to discuss christianity? All of those terms are what the Bible uses therefore they are the words God chose. However as I said those are characteristics but they are useless without the death and resurection of Jesus it is faith in Jesus that saves. There is no other way.

Originally Posted by shazeep

Who can know God? seems pretty clear to me, Luke. And i am led to say "wait 'til you meet Christ!" um, which may not be for you, but in general. He is a picture on the wall to most here; Someone we give a little nod to every now and then; and the door to our introduction of Him having been blocked, most will never progress past the "What should i be doing for God" stage, and those that do, who are led into 'ministry,' are mostly regressing rather than progressing.

i don't mean to imply that these do not love the idea of God; or even that they are not genuinely seeking a closer walk--but that ones early training is extremely difficult to overcome; and that training is being overseen by the world.

Where does it say in the Bible that we cannot know God?

John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,