Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

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Originally Posted by Luke

I accept the Bible.

It works just fine--if you work it. Amen.

Originally Posted by Luke

How can it be true that Jesus is the only way and yet at the same time you say it is true that there are other ways as well these are contradictory and cannot both be true.

and yet the Bible, that you accept, is full of apparent contradictions, even for a believer. All those When did we see you thirsty, and give you a drink? people obviously never said any of those words which we hold so dear, and yet they are accepted.

Originally Posted by Luke

Please explain your point in the underlined section.

you "Why are we not qualified to discuss christianity? All of those terms are what the Bible uses therefore they are the words God chose."
me "how do you know? how did 'confident expectation' turn in to 'hope?' How did 'the earth became void' turn in to 'the earth was void?' "

the connotation for our current usage of the word 'hope' is completely different from 'confident expectation,' its original intent. Same with Gen 1:2, which reads "The earth WAS void," when a better way to put it in the current vernacular is obviously "The earth BECAME void." The Bible is full of these. I do not mean to imply that It is wrong, just subject to interpretation (thereby revealing of premises). It is perfect, imo, just like that.

Originally Posted by Luke

I agree that we should question what we have been taught by man but I have no need to question God or His word.

i posit that every single jot and tittle you got was filtered through some guy with a pen or a mouth, and the spiritual concepts that they merely indicate cannot be learned until they are related to the real world in ones walk. You cannot teach someone to be spiritual. Or forgiving, apparently.

Originally Posted by Luke

Titus1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

This verse in no way says you cannot know God. This verse is talking about those who claim to know God but do not obey God and live abominable lives.

yes, abominations abound. we are completely immersed in satan, in the world. what is an abomination, anyway? i see abominations in prescriptions, broken food from the grocery store, mortgages, locks, and people who are 'certified' pastors, yet behave as accusers. i could go on. maybe you see different ones.

Originally Posted by Luke

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Again this never says you can't know God. It is the apostle questioning those who were once saved how they leave God for a lie.

then what were they saved from? why do you suppose that they were any less 'Christian' than you or I? This verse is talking about us. I think i chiefly posted it to highlight the "I know God" thing in Scripture really only means "I know that there is One God;" iow, you (all) have come to God's attention, just the slightest little bit.

Originally Posted by Luke

Eccl 9:1 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

This does not even say you what posted. Atleast not in the KJV.

Just as an aside, i would reply that you talk about disliking homosexuality, and then read a translation by a homosexual. But no matter. Do you have a mortgage, Luke?

Originally Posted by Luke

You can know God in a very really and personal way scripture never in anyway contradicts that.

i would agree that one may come to some knowledge of Christ, in a personal way; similar to a little child...so ok, yes, one may actually begin to vaguely grasp YHWH by the time they die, if they have dug deeply; but
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him tells me that i am prolly kidding myself there. Who can say they 'know God?' Don't we have some Scripture about "unapproachable?"

Originally Posted by Luke

If two views conflict one is right and the other is wrong or both are wrong but they cannot both be right.

how do you know? this is why we are in the shape we are in, imo; this "my way or else" stuff, disregarding the spiritual aspect. Here i am (apparently) disagreeing with you, and yet i believe that you are right, Luke. Now what?