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Originally Posted by jfrog
The biggest problem I have with born of water = baptism and born of spirit = holy ghost is that those who hold this interpretation actually believe in three post natural births.
They believe in a birth only of water (water baptism).
They believe in a birth only of spirit (receiving the Holy Ghost).
They believe in a combined birth of water and spirit (being baptized and receiving the Holy Ghost)
Myself, I believe in one natural birth and one post natural birth. I believe Jesus spoke of being born again as if there was only one new birth not 3. Because of this reason I cannot believe that being born of water = water baptism.
I also believe if someone wants to make the case for water baptism being essential for salvation it can easily be done without a passage as indirect about water baptism as John 3:5 |
I believe in two births.... one natural and one Spiritual ("Born Again"), however, insofar as "baptism" are concerned, I believe in two ... Water & Spirit.
Hebrews 6:1-2, wherein we find a listing of the elementary or fundamental principles of the doctrine of Christ (Jesus), every Bible translation I've seen has baptism indicated in the plurality, implying more than one. I believe this plurality refers to the baptism of water and of Spirit as Jesus stated in His conversation with Nicodemus.
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