All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The posts speaks for itself. I'll just comment on the last line. Why sit through a Bible class at an Apostolic church? I sat in an Apostolic church for years, attended every camp meeting , youth rally, special service I could and did my share of preaching. Even went through over a years worth of personal Bible study with my pastor after my baptism (I was baptized the first day I attended a oneness church). I read the required books for licensing. I taught Into His Marvelous Light and Search for Truth (#2) several times in home bible studies.

Despite all if this I never heard expository preaching (didn't even know what it was until after I left the "apostolic" movement). Never heard Romans, Galatians, Ephesians (or any book, not even Jude) taught or explained. The totality of my exposure to solid Bible teaching and theology in over 2,000 services. It was either the basic "apostolic"distinctives (oneness, baptism, tongues, holiness standards) or a scripture taken out of context for an emotional reaction. After 10 years in the movement I realized that I couldn't even define grace. Yet this is typical of oneness pentecostals, even the "systematic theology" taught in UPC Bible colleges is bare bones and revolves around the distinctives of the movement. The theology is weak. The exegesis is weak. Why would anyone want to attend a Bible class at an Apostolic church by someone who doesn't even know basic hermeneutics?

I wish you could attend my church. all we preach is Romans, Galatians, etc. You are right about the lack of expository preaching and the continual emphasis on "distinctives". But I lovingly I admonish you that an over emphasis on those distinctives does not mean they are not true.
Some will call me a liberal, but I do not care. It is soteriologically impossible for someone who has been baptized in the Holy Ghost, and who is living for God, to go to hell in spite of the fact they had a less than perfect water baptism. In Romans 8:1-2 Paul makes it clear that those who have received the Spirit are no longer under condemnation, and are free from the law of sin and death. I think I should post those verses....

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Deal with it Brother Epley.

Furthermore, God credits those who have the Spirit as having met all the righteous requirements of the Law through Christ's death. ...

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Oh and guess what else my extremist brothers who set yourself up as judges? Those Trinitarians who have the Holy Ghost are not in the flesh, and belong to Christ in spite of their imperfect doctrine of God and in spite of the fact that the man who baptized them messed it up......

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Furthermore, those same Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians have life because of the imputed righteousness of Christ that is in them.....

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Continuing, those Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians will one day have their mortal bodies quickened just like those Holy Ghost filled Oneness folk...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Next, those Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians who are mortifying the works of the flesh by the Spirit will live, just like us Apostolics....

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Finally, those very imperfect Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians who though they have imperfect doctrine, are spirit led and Spirit adopted children of God, heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ......

4 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

The Apostle Peter declared in Acts 5 this concerning Holy Ghost baptism....

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

When God gives someone the Holy Ghost, he is declaring that that person has "obeyed" the gospel according to Peter. What gospel? The gospel Peter mentioned in verses 29-31....

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians believe that God raised Jesus, exalted him, and he alone can forgive sins. When they submit to that message, God fills them with his Spirit just like us.

Is there doctrine perfect? No. Should the preacher have invoked the name of Jesus when he baptized them? Yes. Should we try to lead them into more truth? Yes. But we should admonish them as BROTHERS, for all the reasons I mentioned in this post.

Our very doctrine concerning Holy Ghost baptism, that it is not some "second work of grace subsequent to salvation", but that it is indeed the birth of the Spirit, dictates that we accept these people as brothers. God has obviously accepted them as his children by giving them his Spirit.

Sadly, less and less of members of Trinitarian Pentecostal churches are even being told about Spirit baptism. Their leaders are turning their backs on what truth they did have.