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Originally Posted by Originalist
Some will call me a liberal, but I do not care. It is soteriologically impossible for someone who has been baptized in the Holy Ghost, and who is living for God, to go to hell in spite of the fact they had a less than perfect water baptism. In Romans 8:1-2 Paul makes it clear that those who have received the Spirit are no longer under condemnation, and are free from the law of sin and death. I think I should post those verses....
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Oh and guess what else my extremist brothers who set yourself up as judges? Those Trinitarians who have the Holy Ghost are not in the flesh, and belong to Christ in spite of their imperfect doctrine of God and in spite of the fact that the man who baptized them messed it up...... |
I disagree with your interpretation of
Romans 8:1-2. One has to read the last few verses of
Romans 7 in order to understand
Romans 8:1-2. The entire concept using both chapters is saying that walking after the flesh is trying to serve God with self-effort rather than reliance on the Spirit's strength. So, don't walk after the flesh after you are in Christ.
Since the flesh is what we wind up serving the law of sin with, despite our will's efforts to do good, then
Rom 8:1 says that those of us who refuse to walk after the flesh are the ones not condemned. This is not saying that everyone who is in Christ is not condemned. It is saying that those who walk not after the flesh and are in Christ are not condemned. One can walk after the flesh while still being in Christ, as Paul did according to chapter 7 when he willed to do good using fleshly effort and could not accomplish it.
And the condemnation is not a hell-thing either. It's the condemnation Paul described in Chapter 7, again, when he frustratingly tried to do good and could not succeed.
Walking after the Spirit is not having the Spirit baptism at all! The walk does not come by default with the Spirit. The walk is a conscious effort based upon the awareness of how the Law of the Spirit works. And that law states that the self-effort described in ch 7 fails and one must instead yield to the Spirit for strength (
Rom 6:13). And all of that stems from baptism into Christ's death, which an incorrect baptism does not afford (
Rom 6:3-6).
People read
Rom 8:1 without understanding chapters 6 and 7 first and get
Rom 8:1 all wrong.
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